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Re: Dark Mode Sucks

#31

Post by agersant »

lylejantzi3rd wrote: post #25

I agree with him 100%. It hurts my eyes. It's extremely frustrating that most sites still don't let you toggle between them. It's also frustrating that Chrome and Firefox don't have a button you can click that changes prefers-color-scheme. They're already picking up the value from the OS. Why not let us change it? And before somebody asks, my OS is set to dark mode because the light mode UI is unusable. I can't wait…

In Firefox, go to Hamburger menu -> Settings -> General -> Language and appearance. There is a big three-button setup with Automatic/Light/Dark options (where Automatic is your OS-wide choice).

Re: Dark Mode Sucks

#32

Post by CrendKing »

Sipu wrote: post #22
CrendKing wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find it much less painful on the eyes to read in dark mode at night I don't understand this. Do people not use lamp or light source in their house? Are people living like cavemen? Otherwise, how is it that much difference between day and night+lamp? If it is sleep time, there is already blue light filter most OS supports nowadays. No need to ask each app to support a separate color scheme.

Easy, a proper screen puts out north of 500-600 nits also on phones. Also people's eyes have variable sensitivity to light, nothing weird about that. Besides, you don't stare straight at your lamps. You do stare straight at your screen. The "night mode" just kills all color on your devices. It's a lot worse option than dark mode.

Last time I calibrated my monitor for sRGB, the first step DisplayCAL ask me to do is to aim for 120 nits brightness. Sure a screen is capable of outputting 500 nits, doesn't mean you have to use its full capacity. Unless you guys are writing code or reading book under HDR mode all the time?

Re: Dark Mode Sucks

#33

Post by krackers »

avazhi wrote: post #15

I know the author says the article is tongue in cheek but honestly, what's he smoking? Forget about physiologically measurable eyestrain for a second. NOT staring at a super bright white light is more comfortable and less jarring in many (arguably nearly all) use cases. Anecdotal for sure, but across friends and family that span dozens of demographics I've never shown dark mode to someone where they then had a bad re…

>super bright white light

Simply going outside should be brighter than your monitor. We're pretty much evolved to hunt (and thus see best) during the daytime. I'm convinced a lot of the reasons people hate light themes is because their monitors and/or color temperature are too bright compared to ambient light.

Re: Dark Mode Sucks

#34

Post by cassianoleal »

joshka wrote: post #27

Whenever I accidentally visit a light mode site I get an immediate small but annoying stabbing pain that feels like it comes from behind my eyeballs. This is empirical evidence that light mode is harmful to me at least for that small moment when switching. Apparently the author thinks that growing up will fix this... but I'm unconvinced that's going to happen. I use darkreader a lot, but for some sites it's not so go…

> Apparently the author thinks that growing up will fix this... but I'm unconvinced that's going to happen.

Coming up to 44 and not there yet. At what age do you reckon it kicks in?

Re: Dark Mode Sucks

#35

Post by themadturk »

CrendKing wrote: post #16
crackalamoo wrote: post #3

I disagree overall. I find it much less painful on the eyes to read in dark mode at night, even if there's no evidence for health benefits. I agree that dark mode as an additional UI shouldn't be an afterthought, and should be tested fully just like the main UI. Poorly-designed dark mode can be difficult to use because of things like bad contrast.

> I find it much less painful on the eyes to read in dark mode at night I don't understand this. Do people not use lamp or light source in their house? Are people living like cavemen? Otherwise, how is it that much difference between day and night+lamp? If it is sleep time, there is already blue light filter most OS supports nowadays. No need to ask each app to support a separate color scheme.

One of my sons has migraines with accompanying light sensitivity. Yes, some days he lives in the dark, with dark mode screens turned way down.

Re: Dark Mode Sucks

#36

Post by lylejantzi3rd »

agersant wrote: post #31
lylejantzi3rd wrote: post #25

I agree with him 100%. It hurts my eyes. It's extremely frustrating that most sites still don't let you toggle between them. It's also frustrating that Chrome and Firefox don't have a button you can click that changes prefers-color-scheme. They're already picking up the value from the OS. Why not let us change it? And before somebody asks, my OS is set to dark mode because the light mode UI is unusable. I can't wait…

In Firefox, go to Hamburger menu -> Settings -> General -> Language and appearance. There is a big three-button setup with Automatic/Light/Dark options (where Automatic is your OS-wide choice).

Go for it. Turn it on light mode and use it for a while. Let me know what you think of the UI design.

Re: Dark Mode Sucks

#37

Post by HappMacDonald »

CrendKing wrote: post #18
avazhi wrote: post #15

I know the author says the article is tongue in cheek but honestly, what's he smoking? Forget about physiologically measurable eyestrain for a second. NOT staring at a super bright white light is more comfortable and less jarring in many (arguably nearly all) use cases. Anecdotal for sure, but across friends and family that span dozens of demographics I've never shown dark mode to someone where they then had a bad re…

I completely disagree. I personally find dark mode harmful to my eyes. Try this: open a page full of white text on black background. Stare at it for 10 seconds. Now close your eyes. You can clearly see the afterimages of those bright text lingering for quite a while. Now try this with black on white page. No afterimage at all. Like the author says, if the screen is too bright for you, lower the brightness, or use nig…

No, with black text on white background I get an afterimage of the entire screen.

I don't want to force you to use dark mode, by all means continue viewing your world with dark text on bright backgrounds and let us view things the way that we prefer them.

Re: Dark Mode Sucks

#39

Post by HappMacDonald »

I'll just curse the author to having to read everything from now on in green text on cherry red background, and then just tell him to turn the monitor down or desaturate if they don't like it. :D

Re: Dark Mode Sucks

#40

Post by krackers »

CrendKing wrote: post #32
Sipu wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy, a proper screen puts out north of 500-600 nits also on phones. Also people's eyes have variable sensitivity to light, nothing weird about that. Besides, you don't stare straight at your lamps. You do stare straight at your screen. The "night mode" just kills all color on your devices. It's a lot worse option than dark mode.

Last time I calibrated my monitor for sRGB, the first step DisplayCAL ask me to do is to aim for 120 nits brightness. Sure a screen is capable of outputting 500 nits, doesn't mean you have to use its full capacity. Unless you guys are writing code or reading book under HDR mode all the time?

Fyi that 120 nits recommendation is probably because most color grading assumes you work in a dark-ish room. It's probably not a good value for office work.
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