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How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by raverbashing »

the_real_cher wrote: post #19
pavlov wrote: post #6

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> "you also have to wonder where the salaries would be at in tech, and how many more citizens would be training for these roles if it weren't for H-1B visa" On the flip side, you have to wonder where the American tech industry would be without immigrants. Nvidia was founded by the son of Taiwanese parents who sent their children to live with an uncle in the US. That's one of the many immigration paths that the MAGAs…

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> a legacy American like Mark Cuban

From Wikipedia

> His paternal grandfather changed the surname from "Chabenisky" to "Cuban" after his family emigrated from Russia through Ellis Island.[14][15] His maternal grandparents were Romanian Jewish immigrants

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by echelon »

the_real_cher wrote: post #21
carom wrote: post #10

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I don't disagree, getting smart and ambitious people to move to your country is a really good policy overall. It is just worth weighing it against the opportunity cost for the citizens of the country.

doesn't it beg the question though... if they're so good for America why aren't they good for their own country?

The value and commensurate compensation of talent depends on location. Proximity to colleagues, decision makers, and capital.

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by asimpletune »

the_real_cher wrote: post #21
carom wrote: post #10

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I don't disagree, getting smart and ambitious people to move to your country is a really good policy overall. It is just worth weighing it against the opportunity cost for the citizens of the country.

doesn't it beg the question though... if they're so good for America why aren't they good for their own country?

It makes sense for big fish to seek big ponds

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by raverbashing »

ajkdhg wrote: post #12
carom wrote: post #5

>Recent immigrants tend to earn less than U.S.-born workers because of their lower level of education, lack of English, and in some cases because they are working without permission. They might also compete with existing workers with less education and put downward pressure on their wages, too. This is my biggest problem with immigration. It is a handout to corporations. If we think about the poorest Americans, this…

Yes, it distorts wages as a function of supply and demand. Workers cannot bargain, because corporations simply import new people. In the EU it is done by both importing people and extending the EU eastwards. The quality of life has dropped dramatically in the original EU countries.

Yes we all have seen how the UK got rid of those pesky EU FoM Eastern Europeans and replaced them with Asians that accept an even lower salary

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by padjo »

Jupital wrote: post #30
iknowstuff wrote: post #18

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Would you be okay with highly skilled immigrants then? Or would large amounts of them (us) piss you off as well? I consider the fact that anyone can come to America and become American regardless of ethnicity actually amazing. Fuck nation states where you need to look a certain way to be considered as one of them.

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Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by the_real_cher »

waciki wrote: post #24
the_real_cher wrote: post #19

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> If an immigrant didn't start the company a legacy American like Mark Cuban or Gates would have. Or somebody in another country?

Other countries have had 20 times the population of America for centuries and yet pre H1b America invented all modern computing, the internet, etc etc as we know it.

Not worried about other countries AT ALL.

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by foldr »

the_real_cher wrote: post #21
carom wrote: post #10

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I don't disagree, getting smart and ambitious people to move to your country is a really good policy overall. It is just worth weighing it against the opportunity cost for the citizens of the country.

doesn't it beg the question though... if they're so good for America why aren't they good for their own country?

They are. When a doctor immigrates from Nigeria to the US, then that's broadly speaking good for the US and bad for Nigeria.

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by jyounker »

the_real_cher wrote: post #21
carom wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree, getting smart and ambitious people to move to your country is a really good policy overall. It is just worth weighing it against the opportunity cost for the citizens of the country.

doesn't it beg the question though... if they're so good for America why aren't they good for their own country?

When they leave their country it's called Brain Drain.
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