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Startup Accelerator Fail: Most Graduates Go Nowhere

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Re: Startup Accelerator Fail: Most Graduates Go Nowhere

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post #14

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The trouble with median valuation is that even for the most successful incubators it will approach zero, because I doubt any of us are going to have a success rate over 50%.

Hmm. But isn't that getting at the point they're making here?

You'd hope not, because that would be a silly point to make. No reasonable observer expects the majority of any portfolio of startups to succeed.

Re: Startup Accelerator Fail: Most Graduates Go Nowhere

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about median valuation?

The trouble with median valuation is that even for the most successful incubators it will approach zero, because I doubt any of us are going to have a success rate over 50%.

What about comparing the 85-95 percentile companies? Is there any point to comparing the companies that have modest success?

Re: Startup Accelerator Fail: Most Graduates Go Nowhere

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post #11

Exits are a stupid test for what they're trying to measure here. By that standard, Airbnb and Dropbox are failures. Exits are a reasonable test for investments made, say, 10 years ago. But none of the incubators are that old yet. So the right way to judge them is by the valuations of the startups they've funded. Unless the venture business as a whole loses money, that will be a lower bound on the eventual exit number…

Isn't measuring by average valuation a little dissonant with how the valuations play out? If startup valuations follow a power law, and most of the money is made from a few successful exits, wouldn't it make more sense to judge incubators by say, their top 10%, while also showing the total number of startups for comparison?

If you're measuring them as investors, you want the average, because if (as all these incubators do) they invest roughly the same amount in every startup, then average is money out divided by money in.

Re: Startup Accelerator Fail: Most Graduates Go Nowhere

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm. But isn't that getting at the point they're making here?

But VC investing is a hit-driven business. One big hit, like a Dropbox, funds all the rest. Unless you're really good at picking horses, you'll have the same median as everyone else.

That's why I liked dan shipper's (rather timely) blog post the other day about choosing to build a sustainable business instead of swinging for a homerun, and striking out.

Re: Startup Accelerator Fail: Most Graduates Go Nowhere

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post #17

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If the startup is profitable and self sustain itself, does it count as success or failure?

To the algorithm they use in this study, it counts as a failure unless the company is public, which is my point here. To investors, whether an investment is a success or a failure is indeterminate till the company either goes out of business or returns the capital invested.

when the company is profitable and has valuation, the investors can sell their shares. If the investor makes a profit by selling their shares, will it count still count as failure? It is possible that the investor can lose money, even if the company goes public, right?

Re: Startup Accelerator Fail: Most Graduates Go Nowhere

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But VC investing is a hit-driven business. One big hit, like a Dropbox, funds all the rest. Unless you're really good at picking horses, you'll have the same median as everyone else.

That's why I liked dan shipper's (rather timely) blog post the other day about choosing to build a sustainable business instead of swinging for a homerun, and striking out.

If you're an entrepreneur, this is indeed the way you want to be thinking. But these are investors discussing outcomes for different startup creation vehicles. If you're an investor, you need to focus on the skinny tail of the outcome distribution, if only because it's where the liquidity is.

Re: Startup Accelerator Fail: Most Graduates Go Nowhere

#37
post #11

Exits are a stupid test for what they're trying to measure here. By that standard, Airbnb and Dropbox are failures. Exits are a reasonable test for investments made, say, 10 years ago. But none of the incubators are that old yet. So the right way to judge them is by the valuations of the startups they've funded. Unless the venture business as a whole loses money, that will be a lower bound on the eventual exit number…

Here is the slideshare on the project.

http://www.slideshare.net/dgiluz/accellerators-in-us-and-eur...

No mention of the 10 VC's that I can find.

Re: Startup Accelerator Fail: Most Graduates Go Nowhere

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm. But isn't that getting at the point they're making here?

But VC investing is a hit-driven business. One big hit, like a Dropbox, funds all the rest. Unless you're really good at picking horses, you'll have the same median as everyone else.

But success for purposes of a median is a low bar. It's half your companies having any valuation at all.

Re: Startup Accelerator Fail: Most Graduates Go Nowhere

#39
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't measuring by average valuation a little dissonant with how the valuations play out? If startup valuations follow a power law, and most of the money is made from a few successful exits, wouldn't it make more sense to judge incubators by say, their top 10%, while also showing the total number of startups for comparison?

If you're measuring them as investors, you want the average, because if (as all these incubators do) they invest roughly the same amount in every startup, then average is money out divided by money in.

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Re: Startup Accelerator Fail: Most Graduates Go Nowhere

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But VC investing is a hit-driven business. One big hit, like a Dropbox, funds all the rest. Unless you're really good at picking horses, you'll have the same median as everyone else.

That's why I liked dan shipper's (rather timely) blog post the other day about choosing to build a sustainable business instead of swinging for a homerun, and striking out.

While I applaud his motivation, what he's suggesting is an intrinsically unsound way to go about it. A startup = a chemical reaction with extremely high activation energy. In such circumstances, the best thing you can do is get one or more catalysts. YC or any other VC/incubator is just a catalyst to lower your activation energy & let the chemical reaction happen sooner/faster. Without the catalyst, the reaction will most likely not happen, period. Whether you get a catalyst or not, you most definitely don't want inhibitors in your reaction. "Holed up in Philly for $650 a month working 14-hours a day" - that's a bigtime inhibitor right there. Why not spend $6500 in sv and work 8 hours a day - its a lot more sustainable, that $6500 comes out of some vc's pocket in exchange for equity, nobody's burnt out and everybody's happy. Let the capital markets work in your favor. Don't handicap yourself.
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