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Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by cardanome »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #8

> every person has a purpose, nobody is superfluous or redundant. Nice sentiment but wishful thinking lmao. At the very least there are some people for whom nowhere is a perfect fit, and there are people who would fit better in any place they could fit in. I.e. some people are not locally optimal anywhere. Another issue is we read this and imagine the happy smart consciousness people in our friend groups. What about…

Yes, there is a place for everyone. For some it might be prison but it is a place nonetheless. Everyone has the right to live.

While psychopathy is relatively hard to treat it is worth noting that not all psychopaths are actively harming other people. They can also be functional and productive members of certain groups under the right circumstances. You might want to be more careful with stigmatizing a whole group of people.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by morning-coffee »

cardanome wrote: post #31
atleastoptimal wrote: post #8

> every person has a purpose, nobody is superfluous or redundant. Nice sentiment but wishful thinking lmao. At the very least there are some people for whom nowhere is a perfect fit, and there are people who would fit better in any place they could fit in. I.e. some people are not locally optimal anywhere. Another issue is we read this and imagine the happy smart consciousness people in our friend groups. What about…

Yes, there is a place for everyone. For some it might be prison but it is a place nonetheless. Everyone has the right to live. While psychopathy is relatively hard to treat it is worth noting that not all psychopaths are actively harming other people. They can also be functional and productive members of certain groups under the right circumstances. You might want to be more careful with stigmatizing a whole group of…

When you use the word "everyone", curious if you really mean it considering that set contains individuals like Adolf Hitler, Shiro Ishii, Josef Fritzl, etc?

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by Pat_Murph »

MailleQuiMaille wrote: post #32

Talking about purpose without mentioning spirituality is to me like talking about politics without mentioning wars : feels like a lot of the reasoning behind is missed, either by prudishness, ignorance or bigotry.

We would need to start by defining what spirituality is...

For me it's a vague, meaningless word that people like to use without ever defining it. And it's meaning ehen5rhere is one. Is completly diffeent9from person to person...

So for me utterly useless.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by abhayhegde »

mulmen wrote: post #11

I only skimmed but I don’t find this philosophy particularly interesting. The implication here is that everyone has one best place, but in reality there are many local maximums. The opportunity cost of traversing a valley for a slightly higher maximum may not be worth it. The post also conflates employment with happiness. Not having a paying job is a valid life choice. Stay at home parent is a completely valid niche.…

> The implication here is that everyone has one best place, but in reality there are many local maximums.

This is even better than what the article argues and thus not an antithesis. The author tries to convince us that there exists atleast a place for everyone, not that there aren't many.

> The idea that we have one “best” fit is the self-help equivalent of “perfect is the enemy of good”.

Again, it's not that there is one "best". The idea is everyone can be valuable through atleast one means. I don't see how that is related to perfectionism.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by abhayhegde »

harimau777 wrote: post #24

How many of these niches actually pay enough (or provide enough other benefits) to have a decent quality of life? I think that's the real limiting factor in "finding your niche".

That's a fair point. I kind of hate that the world has come to this. Everything needs to be justified through an economic lens. I wonder if life was easier in the past with regards to this.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by pdonis »

mulmen wrote: post #11

I only skimmed but I don’t find this philosophy particularly interesting. The implication here is that everyone has one best place, but in reality there are many local maximums. The opportunity cost of traversing a valley for a slightly higher maximum may not be worth it. The post also conflates employment with happiness. Not having a paying job is a valid life choice. Stay at home parent is a completely valid niche.…

> The implication here is that everyone has one best place

No, just a place. There could be more than one, and they might not even be comparable in a way that would let you say one is better or worse than the other. The article talks about this when it says people's keys have some give, they don't have to fit just one lock.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by [deleted] »

avazhi wrote: post #20

No, there’s not. The evolutionary process is pretty adept at rigorously excluding most personality and physical variants out of all the available options. Pretending otherwise is naive ahistorical nonsense.

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Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by derektank »

cardanome wrote: post #30
mulmen wrote: post #11

I only skimmed but I don’t find this philosophy particularly interesting. The implication here is that everyone has one best place, but in reality there are many local maximums. The opportunity cost of traversing a valley for a slightly higher maximum may not be worth it. The post also conflates employment with happiness. Not having a paying job is a valid life choice. Stay at home parent is a completely valid niche.…

> None of this is easy and the post doesn’t seem to provide any insight into finding a good fit. Oh it does: > So it’s not that the world magically offers the lock to fit everyone’s key. It’s that everyone’s key has a bit of give, enough to fit the locks available. We screw this up when we assume that our keys are made out of Play-Doh and they can fit anywhere, or when we assume they’re made out of obsidian and they’…

The piece sort of contradicts itself on this point though and explicitly conflates employment and finding one's niche with the tragedy of Nicky. Why is it a tragedy that Nicky finds herself employed as a consultant if she has no other particular career ambitions, if she can find her niche outside of work? The author even seems to suggest it's morally wrong for people to be employed in anything but their niche, lest they fall into, "build[ing] prisons or raid[ing] pensions or market[ing] vapes to kids."

Re: There's a place for everyone

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Post by pdonis »

fishtoaster wrote: post #29

It's a fun, upbeat article, but as an actual case, I think it falls down here: > Our abundance of weirdos creates diversity not only in supply, but also in demand. That's certainly true (imo), but the author seems to implicitly expect the supply and demand to match up and I'm pretty thoroughly convinced that they do not. Thinking narrowly about jobs, there are a lot more people that want to be artists than people tha…

> Thinking narrowly about jobs, there are a lot more people that want to be artists than people that want to buy art, causing art to be a pretty hard industry to make a living in.

The article does not say that your place has to be your job. Indeed, it gives examples to the contrary, such as the Breakup Whisperer.

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