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The Most Dangerous Email (to my career) I've Sent

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Re: The Most Dangerous Email (to my career) I've Sent

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The email could have been pared down significantly. The idea that a programmer might want to solve problems directly rather than manage others should be well known at this point. The company I work for has an "individual contributor" career track for this reason. You can simply say it straight out without all the fluff, which is most of the email.

That aside, I'm happy it worked out and I understand it's hard to send an email like that.

Re: The Most Dangerous Email (to my career) I've Sent

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There are many different types of "dangerous" things you can do for your career, and some are worse (and more permanent) than others. The most "dangerous" thing for my career was when I started posting about what's happening in Gaza and Palestine on my public social media accounts. I've heard similar horror stories from others, ranging from being let go from their jobs to missing out on new opportunities and position…

Yeah, freedom of speech used to be sacred... No longer.

Re: The Most Dangerous Email (to my career) I've Sent

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post #17

> I felt like by 40 I needed to move on from engineering because if I didn’t, I’d be like the few older workers I’d dealt with in my career. I felt like they moved too slow, were stuck in their ways, and unable to change - even when faced with evidence to the contrary. If that was your fear, then I'm sorry you had that fear, and I hope it was unfounded. Unfortunately, there's externalities to voicing a negative stere…

I feel like it's not just ageism - software development itself is so big now that it's fractured to the point that there are now strongly opinionated camps that are "stuck in their ways and unable to change - even when faced with evidence to the contrary. "

For example, certain web dev crowds that love (in my very biased opinion) really slow, bloated and/or over complicated tooling to do simple things. But only because they've never ventured outside of their ecosystem to the great beyond and "that's how everyone does it".

Re: The Most Dangerous Email (to my career) I've Sent

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I enjoyed the article and it reminded me of many experiences in my career. However, this sentence bothers me:

“I felt like by 40 I needed to move on from engineering because if I didn’t, I’d be like the few older workers I’d dealt with in my career. I felt like they moved too slow, were stuck in their ways, and unable to change - even when faced with evidence to the contrary.”

I’m in my forties and none of those things are true about me. Nor are they true about any of the other older developers I know. There isn’t this magic switch that goes off when we turn forty.

When I extrapolate from there, it makes me genuinely wonder how many of the writer’s problems stem from the position versus how many stem from a serious lack of empathy and the communication difficulties that creates.

The best management advice that I ever received was to always consider if a management problem is actually the sign of a personal problem. If it is, it’s my job to manage to fix that before I make my workplace more toxic.

Re: The Most Dangerous Email (to my career) I've Sent

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post #17

> I felt like by 40 I needed to move on from engineering because if I didn’t, I’d be like the few older workers I’d dealt with in my career. I felt like they moved too slow, were stuck in their ways, and unable to change - even when faced with evidence to the contrary. If that was your fear, then I'm sorry you had that fear, and I hope it was unfounded. Unfortunately, there's externalities to voicing a negative stere…

Thank you. I think it is unfounded, but it's still a visceral belief and those can be hard to overcome. I'm hoping with time I can change my feelings on it.

Because I am the bluebird of happiness, there are a couple of things you may want to be aware of here.

"I’d be like the few older workers I’d dealt with in my career. I felt like they moved too slow, were stuck in their ways, and unable to change - even when faced with evidence to the contrary."

First, keep in mind that many of your co-workers will still feel this way, even if you provide evidence to the contrary.

Second, after you have been around the dharma wheel too many times, it becomes difficult to hop onto the hype-train as quickly as you used to, which is one reason many of your co-workers will feel that way.

The tech industry has never had a career path for technical people other than directly into management or into a pseudo-management "architecture" roles that are neither technical nor management---you don't get many of the advantages of either and what you can do is mostly based on your personal relationships with managers or technical people. As a result, if you remain technical, you may find that your salary and influence stagnate.

Oh, and 40 is still pretty young. I'm 56 and it wasn't until the last 8-10 years that serious burnout set in. (Salary isn't really an important factor in job satisfaction; influence very much is.)

Personally, I've never had to write a letter like yours because I shot the suggestion of a more management-oriented position down in flames, twice. Lucky me! :-)

Re: The Most Dangerous Email (to my career) I've Sent

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There are many different types of "dangerous" things you can do for your career, and some are worse (and more permanent) than others. The most "dangerous" thing for my career was when I started posting about what's happening in Gaza and Palestine on my public social media accounts. I've heard similar horror stories from others, ranging from being let go from their jobs to missing out on new opportunities and position…

Yeah, freedom of speech used to be sacred... No longer.

Freedom of speech has never meant freedom from consequences, particularly in one's dealings with private individuals or corporations.

At best it's supposed to mean no reprisals from public institutions, such as the TSA, IRS, DMV, and the like.

Re: The Most Dangerous Email (to my career) I've Sent

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post #35

I enjoyed the article and it reminded me of many experiences in my career. However, this sentence bothers me: “I felt like by 40 I needed to move on from engineering because if I didn’t, I’d be like the few older workers I’d dealt with in my career. I felt like they moved too slow, were stuck in their ways, and unable to change - even when faced with evidence to the contrary.” I’m in my forties and none of those thin…

Having decades of experience gives me a certain degree of skepticism about promises that some shiny new widget will solve all my problems. From the outside, this might look like I'm stuck in my ways.

Re: The Most Dangerous Email (to my career) I've Sent

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There are many different types of "dangerous" things you can do for your career, and some are worse (and more permanent) than others. The most "dangerous" thing for my career was when I started posting about what's happening in Gaza and Palestine on my public social media accounts. I've heard similar horror stories from others, ranging from being let go from their jobs to missing out on new opportunities and position…

Thankfully it seems like the danger around that is much less now than it was in the first few months after October 7. Though unfortunately probably still present.

Which is repulsively a phenomenon politicians and officials will knowingly exploit. I believe the number of murdered children in Gaza in the first few months was in the thousands. They get their dirty work done fast while others are not allowed to speak out.
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