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Backdooring a social media platform to undermine encryption "in the name of children"... It's for child safety alone. Sure. ::insert eye roll::
Telegram is not really encrypted. No one blame Signal that you can send whatever on it.
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I guess it is because it cannot arrest terrorists but citizens of Israel want to see something destroyed anyway.
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Good thing they have judges in France no? But let's face it many on HN deny the norm and couldn't care less if Telegram is used for criminal content. It's undeniable that the app has a certain reputation.
I’ll take this bait. For those who have built or participated in building large scale social networks (nvm global scale), you learn the Tim Ferris rule very quickly: 1 in a million is a common occurrence. As soon as you have a social network you’ll experience a massive industry, trained over decades & with plenty of financial backers, farming it for victims. Government bodies are hand-waving in the same way companies…
No one does and that’s not why Durov was arrested. It’s fine if there is crime on your system providing you are ready to work with law enforcement so that the space can be policed to the best of your ability.
If you don’t, you are basically voluntarily harming society and will be prosecuted. I’m personally fine with that.
I find it very hard to take the discussion about Telegram here seriously anyway because I just opened Telegram right now to check and sure enough the third contact in people nearby right now is called “Weed, Coke, Viagra - Buy now”. At some point, if you don’t see the issue, I think you might be intentionally blind.
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Why does Israel bomb apartment buildings, leaves civilians without drinking water and electricity instead of just arresting and prosecuting those who participated in terrorist acts? I guess it is because it cannot arrest terrorists but citizens of Israel want to see something destroyed anyway.
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It's a serious violation of HN's guidelines to use flamewar rhetoric like this. I'm sure you have good reasons to feel strongly about the topic, but it's not ok to break the rules in this way. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Note this one: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."
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It's a serious violation of HN's guidelines to use flamewar rhetoric like this. I'm sure you have good reasons to feel strongly about the topic, but it's not ok to break the rules in this way. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Note this one: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."
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Edit: unfortunately, your account has been using HN primarily for political and national battle, and breaking the site guidelines a great deal. That's not allowed here, and we have to ban accounts that do it, so I've banned your account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
I suppose I need to add that this has nothing to do with which side of which battle you're on. We apply the rules the same way regardless of all that. The difference between your account and the other one I scolded in this thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41385066) is simply that your account has been violating the rules so frequently, as well as the important meta rule of not using the site primarily to do that.
Note that only US-companies are required by (US, I guess) law to join these programs. Also note this part: > IWF said that the company did remove CSAM once material was confirmed but said it was slower and less responsive to day-to-day requests. So in the end Telegram removed the content. I think it would be better if Telegram used the hash lists, however I think that they should use manual review and not remove cont…
And the capability to remove anything means they have to respond to secret orders from the government to remove something.
I guess when you label your mendacious, snooping, encryption-breaking, backdoor sneak schemes created for the sake of easier mass surveillance as "child protection measures", moral alchemy turns them into wholesome good programs that only monsters would object to.
Yeah it's all true except 99% of Telegram is not encrypted by design and majority of content is publicly accessible to anyone with account I would agree with you if Telegram actually had e2ee like Signal. But it isn't. No encryption breaking required to moderate public content.
I guess when you label your mendacious, snooping, encryption-breaking, backdoor sneak schemes created for the sake of easier mass surveillance as "child protection measures", moral alchemy turns them into wholesome good programs that only monsters would object to.
Yeah it's all true except 99% of Telegram is not encrypted by design and majority of content is publicly accessible to anyone with account I would agree with you if Telegram actually had e2ee like Signal. But it isn't. No encryption breaking required to moderate public content.
Bad and criminal behaviors always existed. I see no evidence of them having been made any lesser or infrequent by virtue of giving massively powerful legally empowered organizations the right to monitor whatever they like at their self-righteously couched discretion.