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Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by irdc »

xiphias2 wrote: post #6
askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

Or maybe all companies will learn to leave EU behind in innovation. Even though the rules are great, I'm just not sure if it will be good or bad long term for EU.

We don't like the kind of innovation which exploits workers in this way. On this side of the great herring-pond, humans have rights.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by hasanhaja »

xiphias2 wrote: post #6
askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

Or maybe all companies will learn to leave EU behind in innovation. Even though the rules are great, I'm just not sure if it will be good or bad long term for EU.

> Even though the rules are great, I'm just not sure if it will be good or bad long term for EU.

We can speculate this all we want, but I think it's fair to say with confidence that leaving companies unregulated (or poorly regulated) is bad for everyone in the long term. A slightly different example is the poor enforcement of antitrust laws being one of the reasons we have the tech oligopoly we have today with Apple, Google, Amazon and Meta.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by doikor »

xiphias2 wrote: post #6
askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

Or maybe all companies will learn to leave EU behind in innovation. Even though the rules are great, I'm just not sure if it will be good or bad long term for EU.

What is the actual innovation of Uber outside of trying to push the competitors out of the market with investor money? (this isn't anything new/innovative either)

We had app based ride hailing services before Uber and still have them so it can't be that. Surge pricing also has existed before them.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by gmerc »

xiphias2 wrote: post #6
askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

Or maybe all companies will learn to leave EU behind in innovation. Even though the rules are great, I'm just not sure if it will be good or bad long term for EU.

It's not like building these platforms is hard. They can leave.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by darkwater »

concordDance wrote: post #21
shinycode wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think this kind of « threat thinking » is true. « We find ways to steal from you and it’s still good for you because otherwise you will be left behind without us ». It’s kinda feels like bullying to me

This is an unconventional usage of "theft" in the "you wouldn't steal a car?" way. Could you explain how the Uber drivers are worse off due to their data being in the USA?

Well, they are UE citizens (at least a chunk of it).

Following your reasoning, then the whole legislation is moot, and all European citizens data should be sifoned in the US without anyone complaining, because "hey, I'm in the UE so you cannot touch me", no?

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

#37

Post by gmerc »

shinycode wrote: post #11
xiphias2 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe all companies will learn to leave EU behind in innovation. Even though the rules are great, I'm just not sure if it will be good or bad long term for EU.

I don’t think this kind of « threat thinking » is true. « We find ways to steal from you and it’s still good for you because otherwise you will be left behind without us ». It’s kinda feels like bullying to me

It's called Colonialism

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

#38

Post by endisneigh »

niek_pas wrote: post #27
djaouen wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don’t like it, stop using US-made products. :)

\s, I hope? Not using US-made products is basically impossible in the modern world.

It’s really not. It’s just inconvenient.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by djaouen »

niek_pas wrote: post #27
djaouen wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don’t like it, stop using US-made products. :)

\s, I hope? Not using US-made products is basically impossible in the modern world.

Open source is (usually) free. I’m just saying, if they really wanted to, other countries could build their own shit. They just don’t. :)

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by debesyla »

xiphias2 wrote: post #6
askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

Or maybe all companies will learn to leave EU behind in innovation. Even though the rules are great, I'm just not sure if it will be good or bad long term for EU.

But USA companies leaving EU is better for competition - smaller EU-based companies can try to copy the model and do their own thing.

For example, for Uber, lack of it (it took a while to come to some countries) already spawned lots of successful competition.

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