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Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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I've done the path from SWE to SRE and back to SWE. I was always happy to do production support and diagnose and fix production problems, so I naturally moved to SRE which is always looking for people. It was a real mistake, SRE is hugely stressful and really unrewarding compared to SWE. Yes you learn some skills and get some occasional glory, but year after year of fighting fires really didn't build any long lasting…

SRE is an absolutely shitty role. I completely agree with you.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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There are a bunch of comments saying that Google is just like any other big tech company and that the exciting engineering bit has gone. My experience is only from the last 2.5 years, but I've got a slightly different take. Engineering from >10 years ago seems like it was a wild west. Some truly stunning pieces of technology, strung together with duct tape. Everything had its own configuration language, workflow engi…

Although there were some rough areas, Google has been considered to have pretty advanced software engineering for 20 years or more. There was plenty for a new engineer to boggle at even then.

On the other hand, someone who started in 2015 missed out on the years when Google was mostly considered to be the good guys and given the benefit of the doubt. That’s about when the culture started turning against “big tech” in general (rather than specific companies like Microsoft).

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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The traditional view is that young engineers should join startups in hope of a massive payoff if one goes big, but working for 10 years at BigCo with good salary and stock plans can set you up for life without any risk. One path to avoid is the one I took which was to work at a big tech co as a contractor. Good rates but nothing to show for it after 10 years other than the experience and whatever I had put in my 401K.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IBM has never a company where engineers could rise to the same ranks as directors and higher with a solid IC track. Never? Maybe if you’re talking the last 15-20 years, but IBM has been around a lot longer than that… I personally know people who moved up the ranks there to director and above, so I can say with confidence you’re absolutely wrong.

Yes! It’s sad how ignorant of IBM and US technology industry history some of these comments are. Then again, I suppose every generation does a lot of its own “this time we’re different” myth making. Not everyone has the wisdom to see the broader context.

Indeee. I think because for younger generation is physically impossible to have experienced it, while for the older generations it's complicated to get into a disruptive startup.

Obviously people could read about the past, but sometimes that's asking too much, they are busy creating "the future".

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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There are a bunch of comments saying that Google is just like any other big tech company and that the exciting engineering bit has gone. My experience is only from the last 2.5 years, but I've got a slightly different take. Engineering from >10 years ago seems like it was a wild west. Some truly stunning pieces of technology, strung together with duct tape. Everything had its own configuration language, workflow engi…

From my experience crossing eras; the tools have improved, and there are still some amazingly brilliant people, but the amount of overhead and the ratio of top level, passionate builders has dropped meaningfully. I have had a priority project stuck in legal hell for six months because it’s just a morass of logistics. The project is benign but it doesn’t matter. We are ossified.

I look at it as somewhat inevitable considering the path the company has taken, but it is certainly different. We are cranking out money and that’s fine, but it is a change.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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> USA centric culture, if you are not in USA at Google and don’t have a big presence in a location it’s a bit like swimming upstream, it’s easy to feel isolated, sidelined or on the flipside overwhelmed with late meetings

It's like the fourth time I read/hear this. I understand that it's a tricky one to adress.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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> Tons of money Lots maybe. But if it's under 8 figures before the dot, it's not tons.

I think that's fair. I'd like to think I have some fairly strong ethical requirements for work, but I can see those evaporate in the face of 8 figures.

Huh. That's concerning.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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There are a bunch of comments saying that Google is just like any other big tech company and that the exciting engineering bit has gone. My experience is only from the last 2.5 years, but I've got a slightly different take. Engineering from >10 years ago seems like it was a wild west. Some truly stunning pieces of technology, strung together with duct tape. Everything had its own configuration language, workflow engi…

Although there were some rough areas, Google has been considered to have pretty advanced software engineering for 20 years or more. There was plenty for a new engineer to boggle at even then. On the other hand, someone who started in 2015 missed out on the years when Google was mostly considered to be the good guys and given the benefit of the doubt. That’s about when the culture started turning against “big tech” in…

> the years when Google was mostly considered to be the good guys and given the benefit of the doubt

It's been interesting to see the tech and public zeitgeist shift on this.

Lesson: if you're going to be popular for killing a king, be careful how similarly the thing you place on your head starts to look to a crown.

Re: Postmortem of my 9 year journey at Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! It’s sad how ignorant of IBM and US technology industry history some of these comments are. Then again, I suppose every generation does a lot of its own “this time we’re different” myth making. Not everyone has the wisdom to see the broader context.

Indeee. I think because for younger generation is physically impossible to have experienced it, while for the older generations it's complicated to get into a disruptive startup. Obviously people could read about the past, but sometimes that's asking too much, they are busy creating "the future".

Also, you know, there probably aren't that many posters on HN who worked at AT&T in the 60s...
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