It feels like The Economist and other Western oligarch media have been saying that China is going to collapse "next week" for decades. Almost like they have some sort of anti-reality agenda.
China's manufacturers are going broke
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#32It feels like The Economist and other Western oligarch media have been saying that China is going to collapse "next week" for decades. Almost like they have some sort of anti-reality agenda.
I can’t find that claim in the article.
One could even argue they are a Chinese asset because they mislead Western investors so fantastically and consistently on basic economic topics, a sort of Great Filter.
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#34Well, if they want to learn from the US, they should ship their manufacturing capacity and intellectual property off to their geopolitical rival for short-term monetary gain.
Those places are Vietnam and Africa, and it's already happening.
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#35> Hengchi, an electric-vehicle (ev) maker owned by Evergrande, a failed property developer, told investors that two of its subsidiaries had been forced into bankruptcy. The group originally aimed to sell 1m evs a year by 2025; amid feverish competition it sold just 1,389 last year. When you miss sales targets by 99.9% it’s got to be more than a competition problem
It's fairly common across the EV industry in China.
BYD is an amazing product and makes good cars. The other manufacturers not so much, as is reflected in Chinese EV car sales [0].
That's why manufacturers like SAIC (MG Motors), GAG (Wuling Motors), etc have resorted to trying to export abroad because they cannot beat BYD domestically, but this faces hurdles as most other major markets abroad (VN, JP, SK, ID, IN, Brazil, EU, MX, etc) place tariffs on autumotiive exports, forcing Chinese manufacturers to either open entire factories abroad with JVs or quit those markets
Every factory SAIC, GAG, GAC, etc opens with a foreign JV is an equivalent set of jobs and IP lost in China.
[0] - https://autovista24.autovistagroup.com/news/big-boost-chines...
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would not say that this is trivially corrected. The latest news from Boeing is that American manufacturing has been obliterated. Rebuilding the skill and culture that has been lost is neither easy nor guaranteed.
Not a good example because Boeing didn’t outsource. China flies Boeing airframes made in the US and has for the last 50 years. Boeing is an example of financiers running the company from an ivory tower on the other side of the country.
No, that's precisely my point actually. Boeing is one of the very few companies that maintained its local manufacturing capacity. (to say that they "didn't outsource" is not remotely accurate)
Despite everything that was pointing in Boeing's favor -- culture, financials, market, reputation; it was taken over by the MBAs that put McDonnell-Douglas into a nosedive and now all of that is gone.
So now, let's assume that Boeing sees the light and wants to rebuild their manufacturing chops. Who do they hire? Who can they hire, who has the manufacturing expertise? When I worked at Boeing 25 years ago, the old-timers were invaluable. Most of those folks are dead and gone; my generation should be graduating into old-timer-hood in the next couple of decades but Boeing hasn't invested in us. Wages have been stagnant, software is easier, tiktok is more exciting, and the young generation is used to being bossed around by MBAs who don't understand the work.
If not Boeing, the once-shining-example of American manufacturing what didn't outsource, who can bootstrap our manufacturing renaissance?
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#40Well, if they want to learn from the US, they should ship their manufacturing capacity and intellectual property off to their geopolitical rival for short-term monetary gain.
Those places are Vietnam and Africa, and it's already happening.