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Re: RIP, Nokia (1865 - 2014)

#31

Post by meta »

freehunter wrote: post #13
jinushaun wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the average non-tech user, is the lack of third party apps really that big of an issue? In all honesty, all they need is Facebook, Twitter, Angry Birds and sudoku, which WP7 has. You're really not at a loss for apps when it comes to the popular 1st tier apps. The bigger issue, from my personal experience seeing people pick up and use a WP7 device, is that it's awkward to use compared to the grid of icons in iOS a…

Android: grid of icons, which you can pick some that you use most often and pin them to the first screen you see. WP7: list of icons with names, which you can pick some that you use most often and pin them to the first screen you see, except these icons then change sometimes to display more information such as weather forecast, Facebook updates, etc. This is too different how? The icons on the menus are pretty clearl…

I just switched to a WP (Titan II) last week. It may be new phone smell but I really like it. I wasn't a heavy app user though.

In showing the phone to my family/friends the biggest confusion I have found was the People pane. They thought in terms of the Facebook app and the Twitter app. Once I explained that those apps are all 'in' the people pane and linked to their phone profile things went smoothly. Overall I felt they really liked the look of the phone.

Personally I like the social media integration and the tile interface look. Rather than a feeling of reaching out to Twitter or Facebook those things are delivered to me. I don't have Joe on Facebook and Joe on Twitter, etc. I just have Joe and all his updates are delivered and grouped together in a nice way.

Re: RIP, Nokia (1865 - 2014)

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Post by stcredzero »

chris_wot wrote: post #14
jinushaun wrote: post #7

"If Nokia had gone with Android, the best that it might have achieved was to become an also-ran—another in an endless stream of me-too commodity smartphone makers." No. Nokia could've been Samsung, which has the lion's share of the Android market. And Android Lumia would be the prettiest Android handset on the market.

I have to agree. My friend bought a Samsung SII the other day, and I was mighty impressed. However, we soon saw a number of shortcomings, and none of it was really the phone hardware or even Android itself. Instead, it was the way that the phone software UI was put together. It was awful. So bad, in fact, that my friend replaced almost all of the software widgets and components with his own - by the end the phone loo…

However, we soon saw a number of shortcomings, and none of it was really the phone hardware or even Android itself.

Seems like there's a tremendous opportunity for the right group to prosper. I'm not sure that's Nokia.

Apple combines several factors:

    - A culture of good programming that works well
    - A culture of good design
    - A company where the efforts of different parts are well aligned
    - The ability to market
If Nokia can do all of the above, they would win. History has shown that they aren't this company.

Re: RIP, Nokia (1865 - 2014)

#33

Post by pilsetnieks »

mtgx wrote: post #5

Nokia won't last until 2014. They are declining too fast. They went from 45% market share to 18% in China, one of their strongest and biggest markets, last year alone. This year they will probably fall way below 10%. Nokia will most likely be acquired by the end of this year or in the first half of next year (or go bankrupt otherwise).

Microsoft won't let them go under, they need quality WP phones that aren't an afterthought to their manufacturers. Worst case scenario, if/when Nokia is on the brink of bankruptcy, MS will take it over.

There was a story recently that Microsoft already had considered taking over Nokia but walked away from the deal after looking at their books, which may mean that MS is just waiting for an opportune moment to take over Nokia on the cheap.

Re: RIP, Nokia (1865 - 2014)

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Post by freehunter »

meta wrote: post #31
freehunter wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android: grid of icons, which you can pick some that you use most often and pin them to the first screen you see. WP7: list of icons with names, which you can pick some that you use most often and pin them to the first screen you see, except these icons then change sometimes to display more information such as weather forecast, Facebook updates, etc. This is too different how? The icons on the menus are pretty clearl…

I just switched to a WP (Titan II) last week. It may be new phone smell but I really like it. I wasn't a heavy app user though. In showing the phone to my family/friends the biggest confusion I have found was the People pane. They thought in terms of the Facebook app and the Twitter app. Once I explained that those apps are all 'in' the people pane and linked to their phone profile things went smoothly. Overall I fel…

I was sad to see WebOS die because of the way it handled people like they were people, instead of accounts on services. I'm glad Windows Phone picked up that torch, even though I wish WebOS had succeeded. The only time I go into the Facebook app on my phone is to see who "liked" my status (no idea why the baked-in app doesn't show this) if it's a rare moment when I really feel the need to know this information.

Seamless conversations between text and IM is another feature picked up from WebOS that I feel is invaluable once you start using it.

Re: RIP, Nokia (1865 - 2014)

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Post by guard-of-terra »

sp332 wrote: post #15
mtgx wrote: post #5

Nokia won't last until 2014. They are declining too fast. They went from 45% market share to 18% in China, one of their strongest and biggest markets, last year alone. This year they will probably fall way below 10%. Nokia will most likely be acquired by the end of this year or in the first half of next year (or go bankrupt otherwise).

Who are they losing marketshare to in China?

Various chinese nonames? Some of those with Android already.

Re: RIP, Nokia (1865 - 2014)

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Post by wtvanhest »

seanalltogether wrote: post #27
jinushaun wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the average non-tech user, is the lack of third party apps really that big of an issue? In all honesty, all they need is Facebook, Twitter, Angry Birds and sudoku, which WP7 has. You're really not at a loss for apps when it comes to the popular 1st tier apps. The bigger issue, from my personal experience seeing people pick up and use a WP7 device, is that it's awkward to use compared to the grid of icons in iOS a…

"For the average non-tech user, is the lack of third party apps really that big of an issue?" Yes - http://paidcontent.org/2010/09/09/419-average-number-of-apps...

That was written almost 2 years ago when it was thought to have mattered. I have about 7 apps installed on my phone, 2 of which are angry birds and angry birds space. I have the kindle app, facebook, and a weather app which sucks.

Any really strong selling app for iPhone, will make it to Andriod which will make it to Windows.

The number of apps in your market is not really important when you have the web.

[ADDED] This may not be as true for Apple users because of the smaller screen size and slower web. For me, I have the LTE Galaxy so I just go right to the web. It is almost as good as my laptop due to the larger screen and LTE. I would guess when the new iPhone comes out, apps will probably become even less important.

Re: RIP, Nokia (1865 - 2014)

#37

Post by itsbits »

Windows 8 preview is good..may be not windows7 killer with PCs..but surely can compete with Android OS in mobile devices....only problem with Windows 8 is free development tools..hope MS looks into it..else it may loose the race before it starts....

and saying 'RIP Nokia' is very bad...i feel Nokia is still the best with its hardware and looks..i like Nokia 900 looks n hardware rather S3....

Android would have been better option...but they can switch to ANdroid as well when Windows 8 is not helping..there should be no worries about that...

Re: RIP, Nokia (1865 - 2014)

#38

Post by krakensden »

ernesth wrote: post #10

Is this a serious piece of writing or just trolling? > 2003-2008 = back when euro was worth real money. 1 euro was worth between 1.1 and 1.5$. Now, it is worth 1.25$... > Rather than spend its resources on building an OS that depended on novel interfaces and sensors, Like the first (and best) GPS phones? > that allowed for outside development Like symbian and the nokia owned qt creator. > If Nokia had gone with Andro…

> Is this a serious piece of writing or just trolling?

Note the author. All his articles are like this.

Re: RIP, Nokia (1865 - 2014)

#39

Post by josteink »

mtgx wrote: post #5

Nokia won't last until 2014. They are declining too fast. They went from 45% market share to 18% in China, one of their strongest and biggest markets, last year alone. This year they will probably fall way below 10%. Nokia will most likely be acquired by the end of this year or in the first half of next year (or go bankrupt otherwise).

Nokia won't last until 2014. They are declining too fast

If the failboat called RIM has managed to stay afloat for so long, I cannot see Nokia failing any faster.

At least Nokia has (finally) released something which belongs in this time and age, while RIM still insists it will release BB OS 10 "real soonish now", like it has for the past year. Or is it years? Plural? I don't know. I just know that their current premium product is something which was hard to sell 3 years ago. They're so dead.

Where I live, the Blackberry-stores have started stocking iPhones and Samsung Android-phones just to sell something. The Nokia-stores are at least still selling Nokia-phones only.

I have no doubt that Nokia tanking is a very real possibility. But RIM is going down first. Unlike Nokia, they have absolutely nothing.

Re: RIP, Nokia (1865 - 2014)

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Post by [deleted] »

barranger wrote: post #6

While I certainly wouldn't call Nokia's position anything but worrisome, I think it might be a little early to start planning the funeral. One of the benefits Nokia has by going with Windows Phone is the relationship it now has with Microsoft. I'd be very surprised if Nokia's tablet offering isn't front and center in just about every piece of marketing MS does. The biggest issue that Windows Phone has currently is a…

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