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Aristotle – How to live a good life

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Re: Aristotle – How to live a good life

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My empirical study of happy people comes down to these three points: * Have low expectations * Enjoy simple things * Don't care too much

I think it's fundamentally important to care deeply about some things e.g. your craft. As you tend to find joy when you're deep in flow state.I'd also add: * Don't argue with people on the internet You'd be inherently happier, also: * Enjoy irony when you can

Arguing is enjoyable and helps build the foundation of your beliefs IMO. Where people go wrong is expecting the other person to be converted to your beliefs or swayed by your argument. Even given the exact same data, evidence, and information, people can naturally and logically come to different conclusions. And ultimately, people will choose to believe (or not) what they want.

Re: Aristotle – How to live a good life

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Aristotle lives in the old versions of the Earth. The outdated concepts may not stand up to modern thinking, but are sufficient for dealing with a simple life. Unfortunately, most people's lives are not simple.

>>> The outdated concepts may not stand up to modern thinking Can you elaborate ? From a quick read, the concept of good ("A good thing fulfils its unique function") and how to be a good human ("to have an excellent soul. And this excellence reveals itself in a clear intellect and a noble character.") seems timeless to me

Being noble, wise and virtuous didn't mean that much alienation from the general population in his era, methinks.

Of course, some will try to argue by twisting these concepts into some modern hedonistic feelsgood version not even fit as a parody.

Re: Aristotle – How to live a good life

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It's good to try to boil Aristotle down to some topological order, because it is latent there.

But to get the order right, this presentation needs some background in the Greek terms Aristotle is using. E.g., focus on the first few lines of the Nichomachean Ethics, about all beings having a good for themselves; that pulls in his metaphysics, some logic, and orients you to the argument structure.

(Personally, I'm not fond of the moving images.)

Re: Aristotle – How to live a good life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's fundamentally important to care deeply about some things e.g. your craft. As you tend to find joy when you're deep in flow state.I'd also add: * Don't argue with people on the internet You'd be inherently happier, also: * Enjoy irony when you can

Arguing is enjoyable and helps build the foundation of your beliefs IMO. Where people go wrong is expecting the other person to be converted to your beliefs or swayed by your argument. Even given the exact same data, evidence, and information, people can naturally and logically come to different conclusions. And ultimately, people will choose to believe (or not) what they want.

There's really something quite magical when you're having a debate with someone with vastly different views but they're reasonable and you both find common ground. Probably a good indication of partner compatibility - I don't think it's healthy if you and your partner have exactly the same views.

Re: Aristotle – How to live a good life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think in many parts most people's lives are not simple because they engage with them through muddled and complex intellectual frameworks using 16 letter words to explain 3-5 letter word concepts. You'd be surprised how much modern life begins to make sense viewed through the framework of antique philosophy.

We are forced to make our life complex. You can't deny the fact that the society we are living in has evolved. Of course one still has the oppurtunity to get rid of it and live in a cave, but how many people are doing this?

> We are forced to make our life complex.

No we aren't. People choose (or not) to make their lives complex, it isn't forced upon them.

Re: Aristotle – How to live a good life

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post #16

Aristotle lives in the old versions of the Earth. The outdated concepts may not stand up to modern thinking, but are sufficient for dealing with a simple life. Unfortunately, most people's lives are not simple.

>>> The outdated concepts may not stand up to modern thinking Can you elaborate ? From a quick read, the concept of good ("A good thing fulfils its unique function") and how to be a good human ("to have an excellent soul. And this excellence reveals itself in a clear intellect and a noble character.") seems timeless to me

Sorry, I typed some words but in the end found I can't do it better than GPT and decide not to post them. The quoted comment describes a fact that various other philosophers raised different views.

Most of the arguments can be seen as overthinking. This is how we make our life worse.

Re: Aristotle – How to live a good life

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post #2

My empirical study of happy people comes down to these three points: * Have low expectations * Enjoy simple things * Don't care too much

Not caring much is such a slippery slope, because it's so easy to turn it to a default.

Apathy is the opposite of love, not hate. A life of apathy, is a life without love.

Re: Aristotle – How to live a good life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's fundamentally important to care deeply about some things e.g. your craft. As you tend to find joy when you're deep in flow state.I'd also add: * Don't argue with people on the internet You'd be inherently happier, also: * Enjoy irony when you can

Arguing is enjoyable and helps build the foundation of your beliefs IMO. Where people go wrong is expecting the other person to be converted to your beliefs or swayed by your argument. Even given the exact same data, evidence, and information, people can naturally and logically come to different conclusions. And ultimately, people will choose to believe (or not) what they want.

You're right, but sometimes you gotta realise you're being trolled or the person you're arguing with is not arguing in good faith. Maybe that's what he meant.
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