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macOS Sequoia makes it harder to run not notarized or signed apps

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Re: macOS Sequoia makes it harder to run not notarized or signed apps

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post #23

Apple needs more antitrust scrutiny if for no other reason than to make them reconsider the direction they're headed on third party software.

Apple are not a monopoly. Not the way Google is and Microsoft was.

The multinational antitrust scrutiny is purely coincidental.

Re: macOS Sequoia makes it harder to run not notarized or signed apps

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post #25

Sorry Apple, but I have no intention to pay 100€ per year for the privilege to notarise an application I have up for free on a GitHub repo no matter how shitty you make the process. At the moment I'm just linking to https://disable-gatekeeper.github.io/ and hoping that if anyone ever comes across my repo, that they know how to read and won't bother me about it. Maybe in the future the optimal solution would be to jus…

Yeah, this is exactly the problem. Apple doesn't want hobbyist programmers either on iOS or MacOS. They see inconveniencing open source programmers who aren't selling a product (and therefore not going to pay Apple for the right of being an "official developer") as a good thing.

Re: macOS Sequoia makes it harder to run not notarized or signed apps

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post #9

It also adds a new permission prompt for screenshot and screen recording apps that doesn’t allow a user to permanently grant permission, but requires a weekly re-authorization. https://9to5mac.com/2024/08/06/macos-sequoia-screen-recordin...

I hate the periodic location permission prompts on iOS. Big tech companies are increasingly paternalistic with this stuff, like their users are all idiots who need to be managed like little children. Some other examples I've recently encountered: - 1Password requires supplying a password hint when changing the master password. - Unifi OS enforcing password quality requirements even when locally/self hosted. - "Set up…

It’s worth keeping in mind that in the case of Apple platforms, a lot of this has roots in the revelation a decade and change ago that third party software on mobile platforms can and will exploit every affordance the operating system offers to extract data, often silently. It’s no different on desktop OSes, but users have been more acclimated to it there since full blown access to everything has been the norm there longer than it hasn’t.

That said I can certainly see the argument that Apple isn’t going about handling this set of problems correctly, but ignoring it or pretending it doesn’t exist isn’t right either.

Re: macOS Sequoia makes it harder to run not notarized or signed apps

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Yes, make macOS more and more like iPadOS so their users can do less and less other than buying apps from the app store and scrolling through the slop on Safari. Apple kinda reminds me of Intel in the 2010's ( not 1-1 comparison ), hollowed and rotting inside but in a constant party because $$ coming in and line going up.. They wrongly think because they control the dials when things start to go south they can just s…

> Yes, make macOS more and more like iPadOS so their users can do less and less other than buying apps from the app store and scrolling through the slop on Safari.

This doesn't seem at all a fair characterization of what happened here - you can still run these applications, they just added a (seemingly pretty reasonable) step to do so. I don't see this as allowing users to do less, and I struggle to find a strong argument against this when the typical user is not a l33t hacker type and most typical users find it extremely easy to download and run malware.

Re: macOS Sequoia makes it harder to run not notarized or signed apps

#35

Yes, make macOS more and more like iPadOS so their users can do less and less other than buying apps from the app store and scrolling through the slop on Safari. Apple kinda reminds me of Intel in the 2010's ( not 1-1 comparison ), hollowed and rotting inside but in a constant party because $$ coming in and line going up.. They wrongly think because they control the dials when things start to go south they can just s…

> Yes, make macOS more and more like iPadOS so their users can do less and less other than buying apps from the app store and scrolling through the slop on Safari. This doesn't seem at all a fair characterization of what happened here - you can still run these applications, they just added a (seemingly pretty reasonable) step to do so. I don't see this as allowing users to do less, and I struggle to find a strong arg…

> you can still run these applications, they just added a (seemingly pretty reasonable) step to do so.

Every version of macOS makes it harder and harder to run unsigned code. They keep pushing the bypass deeper and making it less convenient. It’s super super annoying and stupid.

Re: macOS Sequoia makes it harder to run not notarized or signed apps

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This is not good. I've spend literally days attempting to get a Python-based GUI application "signed", using every available packaging option and dozens of different approaches recommended by a multitude of different sources. Absolute failure -- and no usable error messages indicating what might be wrong. Just basically "no, you can't upload that.". This does not bode well...

I think that's the biggest issue with code signing, Xcode should come with a "Sign and Notarize.app" that allows you to sign anything you point it at with a single click.

Re: macOS Sequoia makes it harder to run not notarized or signed apps

#37

Yes, make macOS more and more like iPadOS so their users can do less and less other than buying apps from the app store and scrolling through the slop on Safari. Apple kinda reminds me of Intel in the 2010's ( not 1-1 comparison ), hollowed and rotting inside but in a constant party because $$ coming in and line going up.. They wrongly think because they control the dials when things start to go south they can just s…

I wonder if they will foresee a “free” tier of the developer program so open source maintainers can consider this as even remotely viable?

There is also the quetion of privacy, for FOSS creators who are not a company, to have their real name shipped with the binary.

Or is all of this theatrics to try and resuscitate the probably-dead Mac App Store?

Re: macOS Sequoia makes it harder to run not notarized or signed apps

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate the periodic location permission prompts on iOS. Big tech companies are increasingly paternalistic with this stuff, like their users are all idiots who need to be managed like little children. Some other examples I've recently encountered: - 1Password requires supplying a password hint when changing the master password. - Unifi OS enforcing password quality requirements even when locally/self hosted. - "Set up…

> "Set up later" (instead of "No") as the negative option for various "helpful" feature prompts in iOS. I'm OK with this. When the prompt appears, you're very much trying to do something else, and ya don't need the detour. "Bug me l8r plz."

I'm not; it's passive-aggressive. Any dialogue of the form "Yes"/"Ask Later" is a framing that prevents you from saying "No, go away forever, I don't want this ever".

Re: macOS Sequoia makes it harder to run not notarized or signed apps

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Yes, make macOS more and more like iPadOS so their users can do less and less other than buying apps from the app store and scrolling through the slop on Safari. Apple kinda reminds me of Intel in the 2010's ( not 1-1 comparison ), hollowed and rotting inside but in a constant party because $$ coming in and line going up.. They wrongly think because they control the dials when things start to go south they can just s…

You don't need to distribute via the app store for your app to be notarized, you just need to have an apple developer account ($99/year) and go through the notarization flow, which is automated and typically takes less than a minute.

You're free to distribute (and sell) your notarized app however you want.

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