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Undark and the Radium Girls (2006)

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Re: Undark and the Radium Girls (2006)

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> supervisors assured them that rosy cheeks would be the only physical side effect to swallowing the radium-laced pigment A nice reminder that you shouldn't drink the koolaid unless you can actually see your bosses doing it.

In the incident that coined “drinking the koolaid”, the bosses did drink it.

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/23/8647095/kool-aid-jonestown-fla...

(semi interesting tangent on the correctness of that phrase)

Re: Undark and the Radium Girls (2006)

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Unions came up in the middle of the 19th century in the US and 70 years later the women at undark were exploited in the worst kind of ways. Also the regulating bodies were obviously ineffective. Social innovations take a long time to succeed…

Re: Undark and the Radium Girls (2006)

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post #3

You know, who knows what happened to the investors in US Radium? Where did their funds go, and is there a trail of other problems (or bodies) with their subsequent investments? I'd like to know who I hypothetically should and shouldn't be investing my money with, as I want the world to be a better place.

Are you saying you want to know if there's a US Radium heir that has a 50% stake in Hostess so you know not to buy Twinkies?

Our entire modern society is built on the blood (and brilliance) of the past. Lessons were learned.

You'll go crazy trying to trace it all.

Re: Undark and the Radium Girls (2006)

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post #11

One part of the saga of “why didn't anyone do anything?” is that this was a state's rights problem originally: > In New Jersey, reformers won their fight for a law allowing compensation for “radium necrosis.” State labor and health agencies were able to halt lip pointing, but their power over industry was sometimes limited. For example, the New Jersey Labor Department issued to U.S. Radium Corporation an order to tig…

> If you have never seen the ads, they are a head trip too. People telling you how drinking radioactive water will give you “natural energy”

To be honest those ads were true. Radioactive water _will_ give you “natural energy”, it will be bad for your body though.

Re: Undark and the Radium Girls (2006)

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> supervisors assured them that rosy cheeks would be the only physical side effect to swallowing the radium-laced pigment A nice reminder that you shouldn't drink the koolaid unless you can actually see your bosses doing it.

When there was worry about the toxicity of TetraEthylLead in gas, Thomas Midgley stood at a podium, poured it over his hands, and sniffed a glass of it for about a minute and told the audience he could do this every day without suffering ill effects. Midgley eventually took a leave of absence from work due to lead poisoning.

The company he worked for chose to create and promote TEL because it was more profitable, as something that could be patented and monopolized, despite Ethanol being a great octane booster and being used with ICEs since their invention. They didn't want to use Ethanol because that would have been a competitive market.

Your boss will happily give himself cancer in the future to save a dime in the now, especially if you get the cancer way way faster than he does. Your boss will do this because his boss will put pressure on him until he does, and because people are stupid and irrational.

Re: Undark and the Radium Girls (2006)

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> supervisors assured them that rosy cheeks would be the only physical side effect to swallowing the radium-laced pigment A nice reminder that you shouldn't drink the koolaid unless you can actually see your bosses doing it.

When there was worry about the toxicity of TetraEthylLead in gas, Thomas Midgley stood at a podium, poured it over his hands, and sniffed a glass of it for about a minute and told the audience he could do this every day without suffering ill effects. Midgley eventually took a leave of absence from work due to lead poisoning. The company he worked for chose to create and promote TEL because it was more profitable, as…

This is a pretty interesting rabbit hole, and it seems like if his inventions harmed others at least they harmed him as well!

> in 1944, he was found strangled to death by a device he devised to allow him to get out of bed unassisted. It is often reported that he had been accidentally killed by his own invention, but his death was declared by the coroner to be a suicide.

If actually suicide, perhaps he felt remorse? Elsewhere in the wiki page:

> Midgley "had more adverse impact on the atmosphere than any other single organism in Earth's history",[32] and Bill Bryson remarked that Midgley possessed "an instinct for the regrettable that was almost uncanny".[33] Fred Pearce, writing for New Scientist, described Midgley as a "one-man environmental disaster".[34]

What a legacy, hope the patents were worth it.

Re: Undark and the Radium Girls (2006)

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post #11

One part of the saga of “why didn't anyone do anything?” is that this was a state's rights problem originally: > In New Jersey, reformers won their fight for a law allowing compensation for “radium necrosis.” State labor and health agencies were able to halt lip pointing, but their power over industry was sometimes limited. For example, the New Jersey Labor Department issued to U.S. Radium Corporation an order to tig…

I think the "1000+" is a little misleading, so to clarify: longer half-life means less dangerous, something like unrefined uranium has little radiation risk unless you have very long-term exposure to it (but it's very toxic because it's a heavy metal, so it will still kill you), its half life is billions of years, something on the order of magnitude of 1000 years, like Radium, is way, way worse.
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