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Launch HN: Airhart Aeronautics (YC S22) – A modern personal airplane

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First of all: great that you’re working on bringing innovation to general aviation! During training I also wondered about some technical aspects, as a lot of the tech in an airplane is from almost 60-70 years ago.

However, as a PPL holder myself I think that understanding weight and balance, aerodynamics, flight planning, ATC, airlaw, principles of flight etc. is paramount to keep yourself and others safe.

In the air you cannot simply drive to the side of the road and have a look at what’s going on. As a pilot you must be able to make decisions on the spot. To be able to make those properly, you have to understand what’s going on from first principles. In aviation safety is the primary goal. Statistically more than 80% of aviation accidents can be traced back to human error. Anything that facilitates bringing people in the pilot seat suggesting they need less training is something i strictly oppose.

Despite, anything that helps to simplify aircraft operations may decrease cognitive load and is therefore welcome.

I guess you're aware of the ICAO/FAA hoops you have to jump through to get anything of what you're developing beyond experimental certificate but having seen how long it took e.g. Volocopter to gain their (still incomplete) type certificate it is a long road.

If you'd be able to simplify avionics and create an affordable standardized fly-by-wire kit that alone would be a great innovation for GA especially in the ultralight and light sport aircraft category.

I wish you all the best!

Re: Launch HN: Airhart Aeronautics (YC S22) – A modern personal airplane

#32

> In the US, trips that are 50-300 miles are almost all done by car because that distance is too short for commercial airlines and too far for public transportation. A bit off-topic but this is a political problem, not a technical one. Trips of 50-300 miles are certainly within the operating range of fast and efficient rail travel as demonstrated in multiple places around the world outside of the US.

100% agreed. I'd love a high speed rail system in the US. but we're engineers not politicians :)

Sending more travelers into the sky in personal aircraft will also be a political issue.

I definitely applaud the goal of improving GA safety, there is certainly a lot to improve in that regard even if the end result isn't a huge increase in the number of family roadtrips taken in personal aircraft.

Re: Launch HN: Airhart Aeronautics (YC S22) – A modern personal airplane

#33

Always happy to see new GA aircraft, and the tech here looks very cool. The emergency autoland and chute will definitely be lifesavers. If your system can reliably prevent base-final stall spins then that would clearly be awesome. One thing that jumped out at me is what are you trading to get that protection? While I have no issues with fly by wire, I'd be nervous about a GA aircraft that's overly opinionated about w…

> If your system can reliably prevent base-final stall spins then that would clearly be awesome.

This was actually a core inspiration for this project. A student on his first solo at an airport north of me crashed on his base to final turn.

> Can I put it into a forward slip, or will it refuse or return to coordinated flight?

Yes, you can make if forward slip. It's a bit clever imo--you just "ask" for low speed and a high descent rate and the energy controllers in the flight computer will figure out that a forward slip is the best way to achieve that. We also have independent ailerons that can be used as spoilers for an even faster descent.

> If I need to make a steep turn to avoid someone heading the wrong way on base is it going to let me?

yep! just push the stick full deflection. you'll feel the active stick fight back because it doesn't want to bank that steeply in normal flight, but you are in control of the plane and it will do anything you command up to it's aerodynamic and structural limits.

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post #31

First of all: great that you’re working on bringing innovation to general aviation! During training I also wondered about some technical aspects, as a lot of the tech in an airplane is from almost 60-70 years ago. However, as a PPL holder myself I think that understanding weight and balance, aerodynamics, flight planning, ATC, airlaw, principles of flight etc. is paramount to keep yourself and others safe. In the air…

thanks! I 100% agree with your comments.

> anything that helps to simplify aircraft operations may decrease cognitive load and is therefore welcome.

exactly. decreasing cognitive load is very important and I think we as existing pilots tend to forget how much of their cognitive load goes to just aviating. But the students who drop out certainly don't.

Re: Launch HN: Airhart Aeronautics (YC S22) – A modern personal airplane

#35
This is fascinating.

Other, smarter commenters will undoubtedly point out potential issues…but since I am a decidedly uninformed groundling, I hope you succeed.

Ambitious, complicated, probably-impossible challenges create space for the kind of projects which could actually change the world.

Sounds tough…good luck!

Re: Launch HN: Airhart Aeronautics (YC S22) – A modern personal airplane

#36

Wondering what you think about this video[0], which (if one ignores the clickbaity and colourful language and focuses on the substance of the argument) frames problems with mass adoption of "flying cars" as fundamental and idea-killing non-starters, rather than hurdles to work hard on, and overcome. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fcWOivJ6bs

I love this guy. trains solve all the worlds problems :)

His discussion is focused a bit more on europe which I think is a very different environment than the US. We don't have trains and want to go larger distances more regularly. We also have a much larger airport infrastructure and a complex airspace system that handles the issue of flying over populated areas and flying approaches safely quite well. So as long as things aren't falling of the plane over someone house (which really isn't a problem even with todays airplanes) I think until we get high speed rail, small airplanes are the next best thing

Re: Launch HN: Airhart Aeronautics (YC S22) – A modern personal airplane

#37

This is fascinating. Other, smarter commenters will undoubtedly point out potential issues…but since I am a decidedly uninformed groundling, I hope you succeed. Ambitious, complicated, probably-impossible challenges create space for the kind of projects which could actually change the world. Sounds tough…good luck!

thanks! my hope is to eventually make you a well informed airling!

Re: Launch HN: Airhart Aeronautics (YC S22) – A modern personal airplane

#39
Presumably anyone who wants to fly this would still have to go through a traditional pilot qualification with an old-school plane? So this is actually targeting people who do fly airplanes, but want to be more comfortable and more able to focus on the navigation and general enjoyment of the air while reducing the actual risk of flying, rather than having to, as you put it, micromanage the aircraft. As someone who likes nothing better than to look out of the window of a passenger jet with the GPS and map on my phone in my hand to see where I am, and to know which geographical features are unravelling below, I kinda get it.

Re: Launch HN: Airhart Aeronautics (YC S22) – A modern personal airplane

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agreed. I'd love a high speed rail system in the US. but we're engineers not politicians :)

Sending more travelers into the sky in personal aircraft will also be a political issue. I definitely applaud the goal of improving GA safety, there is certainly a lot to improve in that regard even if the end result isn't a huge increase in the number of family roadtrips taken in personal aircraft.

> there is certainly a lot to improve in that regard even if the end result isn't a huge increase in the number of family roadtrips taken in personal aircraft.

that's kind of how I see it too, the failed version of this is that GA is safer than it is today.

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