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DIY, 8mm film scanner Kotokino Mark IV (2020)

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Re: DIY, 8mm film scanner Kotokino Mark IV (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think (some? most?) motion picture cameras used a rotating mirror for shutter.

Correct, it’s like a mirrored fan blade and rotates continuously. Ironically, with mirror reflex system what you see through the finder are precisely the moments not captured on film. Very quick events, muzzle flashes for example, can be missed entirely. Notably, some Bolex cameras (and others?) used a beam splitter system where you do see what the film sees, with no flicker from the shutter. The tradeoff is a dimmer…

Curiously, there was also a Canon SLR with a beam splitter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_Pellix

Re: DIY, 8mm film scanner Kotokino Mark IV (2020)

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct, it’s like a mirrored fan blade and rotates continuously. Ironically, with mirror reflex system what you see through the finder are precisely the moments not captured on film. Very quick events, muzzle flashes for example, can be missed entirely. Notably, some Bolex cameras (and others?) used a beam splitter system where you do see what the film sees, with no flicker from the shutter. The tradeoff is a dimmer…

Curiously, there was also a Canon SLR with a beam splitter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_Pellix

Technically, many dSLRs use beam splitter principle and secondary mirrors to feed the image to AE/AF device at the bottom side of mirror box.

Re: DIY, 8mm film scanner Kotokino Mark IV (2020)

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Various sources list the Canon 1000D shutter life expectancy at between 25,000 and 100,000 activations. If the 8mm film is 16 frames per second, then this setup should be able to capture between 26 to 104 minutes of film before consuming the expected lifespan of the camera shutter. Edit: Changed math from 24 frames per second to 16 fps to reflect the 8mm film fps standard playback speed of 16 fps.

The article does not mention this, but many Canon (and I assume other brands) have an option to use only the electronic shutter. For a non-moving subject such as this, it's the perfect option. But it's a good caveat to consider when doing such a project.

They talk about shutter lockup which would imply electronic shutter, I think.

Re: DIY, 8mm film scanner Kotokino Mark IV (2020)

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The quality is probably not as good but my father got fairly decent results filming directly with his digital camera the projection of the super8 film on a screen (obviously in the dark). The added bonus is he would grab the sound of the projector which add a bit to the vintage touch.

This is the good answer. Also to get even better results you can project on a specific small screen using a mirror so you have an even better image. Due to 8mm low quality there is no gain from scanning.

I wonder what the outermost res of 8mm is? It must be pretty low.

I was involved with scanning some 35mm & 70mm Hollywood movie pieces for Universal and pulling 4K from some 35mm wasn't possible. They were saying 4K, but honestly, it was really about 3.5K of real res. I pulled 8K from 70mm, though.

Re: DIY, 8mm film scanner Kotokino Mark IV (2020)

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article does not mention this, but many Canon (and I assume other brands) have an option to use only the electronic shutter. For a non-moving subject such as this, it's the perfect option. But it's a good caveat to consider when doing such a project.

They talk about shutter lockup which would imply electronic shutter, I think.

The shutter is separate on DSLR. (And SLR.)

Re: DIY, 8mm film scanner Kotokino Mark IV (2020)

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct, it’s like a mirrored fan blade and rotates continuously. Ironically, with mirror reflex system what you see through the finder are precisely the moments not captured on film. Very quick events, muzzle flashes for example, can be missed entirely. Notably, some Bolex cameras (and others?) used a beam splitter system where you do see what the film sees, with no flicker from the shutter. The tradeoff is a dimmer…

Curiously, there was also a Canon SLR with a beam splitter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_Pellix

Sony also made some SLR that used beamsplitters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_SLT_camera

Re: DIY, 8mm film scanner Kotokino Mark IV (2020)

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Various sources list the Canon 1000D shutter life expectancy at between 25,000 and 100,000 activations. If the 8mm film is 16 frames per second, then this setup should be able to capture between 26 to 104 minutes of film before consuming the expected lifespan of the camera shutter. Edit: Changed math from 24 frames per second to 16 fps to reflect the 8mm film fps standard playback speed of 16 fps.

I have other canon cameras that could be used with the shutter opened and digital acquisition with Magic Lantern via USB(with hacks). But today I believe it is much better to use Digital cameras like the Raspberry Pi HQ cameras with good lenses. You don't need hacks, and the sensors come from recent mobile phones modules that have much better quality and technology than old camera digital sensors.

The lenses you can get for an SLR tho are much better than what rPi cameras usually come with. If you use film era fully manual lenses you can get amazing quality for next to nothing. If your shooting objects that are still, taking longer exposures or exposure brackets is trivial. I wish there was an GUI program for tethered cameras that still had an option to capture multiple frames each time you trigger it and average them for an output frame. It's strange that feature was removed, in the SD video era there were lots of options for that.
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