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A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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only works if you have bargaining power, which is determined by supply/demand

Hmm, what if we gatekeep the profession through licensing requirements?

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Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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post #54

[stub for offtopicness]

Is it just me, why is it so so difficult to read? the fonts are hurting my eyes.

I also had to close the page immediately.

If the author thinks that page looks good, no wonder they are having trouble getting hired.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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There's that but there's also this: > However, after heading over to Y Combinator to check out startup jobs, I was again frustrated by the findings. YC Jobs has a category for Engineering, but it's all software. There's a category for Operations, but it's all CEO, CTO, management positions. After searching and searching I was unable to find any listings for any network or cybersecurity jobs along the sysadmin/enginee…

Startups are too cheap to pay for someone running a proper VPN. Some rather buy some proprietary appliance and call it a day, even, if it ruins workflows of employees for years. (source: experienced this)

Yeah I've only worked for one company that had a dedicated Network guy, and his work was being phased out as we moved everything towards AWS. Eventually the only work to do at the company was managing security for the company wifi network

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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Not to step on the authors toes, but it’s not the job searching that is broken - it’s the market that has shifted to favor companies and to put applicants at a disadvantage, something that hasn’t happened in the IT field for a long time. People reject candidates without a college degree because they can afford to - they still have plenty of applicants to pick from after filtering out the rest. There is no need for th…

On /r/sysadmin and /r/itcareerquestions I have long been downvoted when I disagreed with the mantra of "just get a cert, college degrees are worthless". I do think that most valuable learning happens on the job and on your own. However, the job market is not always so hot for developers and IT, and like now it will have down turns. I always recommended younger people that even if they could get a job off of certs, they should strongly consider part time classes to get a degree.

While a lot of the IT jobs are cert and experience focused, more like a blue collar job. They are still in white collar companies, in offices, and play normal office politics. So eventually having a degree can be a filter to moving up, so its better to get one sooner rather than later.

The other side of this is what this person is facing. Operations jobs are becoming rarer than they used to be, and operations jobs that do not require coding are even rarer. Just having skills doing set ups is a lot less valuable if you can't script everything to happen automatically in a cloud environment.

At the end of the day you might be a good candidate, but on paper 5 years of experience vs 5 eyars of experience AND a degree, the degree wins.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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Not to step on the authors toes, but it’s not the job searching that is broken - it’s the market that has shifted to favor companies and to put applicants at a disadvantage, something that hasn’t happened in the IT field for a long time. People reject candidates without a college degree because they can afford to - they still have plenty of applicants to pick from after filtering out the rest. There is no need for th…

Companies still have to contend with wasting time interviewing candidates who look good on paper.

At least they save on the interview travel costs now since most interviews seemed to have moved to Zoom and ilk.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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post #10

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Friendly advice, learn more about typography and readability.. Had to copy&paste to an editor to read the text.

I agree the design choices are unfortunate, but (all?) common browsers have a readability mode like a single click away.

my HN client (Octal) opens reader mode automatically. i had to re-open the site and disable it to see this font! i was not disappointed, that was very... unique.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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post #7

Not to step on the authors toes, but it’s not the job searching that is broken - it’s the market that has shifted to favor companies and to put applicants at a disadvantage, something that hasn’t happened in the IT field for a long time. People reject candidates without a college degree because they can afford to - they still have plenty of applicants to pick from after filtering out the rest. There is no need for th…

There's that but there's also this: > However, after heading over to Y Combinator to check out startup jobs, I was again frustrated by the findings. YC Jobs has a category for Engineering, but it's all software. There's a category for Operations, but it's all CEO, CTO, management positions. After searching and searching I was unable to find any listings for any network or cybersecurity jobs along the sysadmin/enginee…

> I was unable to find any listings for any network or cybersecurity jobs along the sysadmin/engineer lines

OP has actually fallen behind skills wise.

This is why companies have been moving Cloud First - your DevOps/SRE or even your Dev team can also be your Networking and Security team.

The writing was on the wall for Network Engineers and old school Sysadmins almost a decade ago, and why so many transitioned into becoming Infra, DevOps, SRE, or Security SWEs or joining Security and Cloud companies as Sales or Support Engineers.

Edit: OP seems technical enough (assuming they know how the difference between Podman vs CRI-O, how to code a DFS from scratch, and what Netlink is), but isn't selling their skills right. They need to invest better and think about how to better tailor a resume.

Not having a LinkedIn is also career suicide at this point.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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"I noted, too, that some of these rejections came instantly after turning in an application. [...] I determined that I was automatically being filtered because I didn't have a college degree. Sure, the job posting says it's required, but you do know I have more experience than the average college student my age, right?"

Sure, I never studied medicine and the hospital stated that they are looking for a doctor, but the experience should count no?

Oh man. I keep thinking about Software Engineering as a craft. Only in our profession is it considered completely acceptable to work without any professional education.

Lawyers, doctors, nurses, even tax accountants go to jail if they practice without being licensed.

You wouldn't get your house wired by some random dude, instead you're looking for a proper, licensed electrician.

But in tech? Somehow we normalized random kids just building critical architecture.

I wonder if that's an anomaly from the exponential, chaotic growth that happened to software engineering since the 60s. I wouldn't be surprised if things normalize, like in a lot of other, mature fields of professions.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's that but there's also this: > However, after heading over to Y Combinator to check out startup jobs, I was again frustrated by the findings. YC Jobs has a category for Engineering, but it's all software. There's a category for Operations, but it's all CEO, CTO, management positions. After searching and searching I was unable to find any listings for any network or cybersecurity jobs along the sysadmin/enginee…

those "operational" jobs exists today. just not in the small startups, that still didn't figure out, that despite running in the cloud you need networking and cybersecurity people

The longer my career goes on, the less a lot of these cloud services make sense to me. I know why we have AWS deploy our production instances, but why are all of our staging and dev instances running on EC2? Can't we just buy an old PC and put it in the office and run dev builds on that? Sure it might be slow, but it's not meant to handle 100k QPS, it's just for QA
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