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Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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I wonder if these poorly-conducted studies are properly reporting any sources of funding an conflict of interest, as well as how they get past peer-review if they have relatively basic methodological flaws.

The peer reviewers are almost all people who live in the same culture of alcohol. So when a study counts people who only drink 11 times a year as basically abstaining, that makes perfect sense to them.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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They never include the mental benefits of alcohol. A night out drinking with friends or coworkers has mental health benefits that last, sometimes a lifetime.

It’s possible to go out and not drink. I can’t tolerate any amount of alcohol and I’ve definitely gone out drinking. Most people have been understanding. If you’re having a good time and encouraging drinking like everyone else is, no one really cares as long as you play the part. (“I would if I could, party it up.”) It helps to know a few mocktails that look alcoholic. :)

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Here’s one of the fundamental problems with studying human diet and psychology, from the article: > The best way to assess the effects of alcohol would be to randomly assign people to drink it or not in childhood and then monitor their health and drinking over the rest of their lives. Since such studies cannot be done, researchers instead have to ask people about their drinking habits and follow them over much shorte…

Not to mention that humans are very different including their metabolic physiology. It's very hard to predict what level of drinking will cause systemic issues for any given individual. That said, I'm inclined to believe the studies saying that there is no health benefit to any level of drinking.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Here’s one of the fundamental problems with studying human diet and psychology, from the article: > The best way to assess the effects of alcohol would be to randomly assign people to drink it or not in childhood and then monitor their health and drinking over the rest of their lives. Since such studies cannot be done, researchers instead have to ask people about their drinking habits and follow them over much shorte…

It is not impossible, it is abhorrent and unethical.

See Nazi twin studies, Japanese Unit 731, and who knows what is going on right now which will take years to be uncovered..

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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They never include the mental benefits of alcohol. A night out drinking with friends or coworkers has mental health benefits that last, sometimes a lifetime.

You need to find different friends that you can enjoy being with while drinking coffee, or tea, or smoothies, or boba.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are talking about literally the single substance responsible for the most human (mental/physical) health damage out of anything we've managed to come up with so far, and not for a lack of trying. You still have some time to reflect and delete this comment (I think HN gives you about an hour).

It clearly seems beneficial and/or enjoyable for some (not me so much), and tobacco and opiates seem like they do their fair share of damage as well.

Tobacco is estimated to cause more deaths, at least globally:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/substances-risk-factor-vs...

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Here’s one of the fundamental problems with studying human diet and psychology, from the article: > The best way to assess the effects of alcohol would be to randomly assign people to drink it or not in childhood and then monitor their health and drinking over the rest of their lives. Since such studies cannot be done, researchers instead have to ask people about their drinking habits and follow them over much shorte…

I hope someday we could develop computers that can do a molecularly accurate simulation of the human body. Then we could try all the inputs we can imagine, with a bunch of different sets of genes, and figure out exactly what's good or not.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Here’s one of the fundamental problems with studying human diet and psychology, from the article: > The best way to assess the effects of alcohol would be to randomly assign people to drink it or not in childhood and then monitor their health and drinking over the rest of their lives. Since such studies cannot be done, researchers instead have to ask people about their drinking habits and follow them over much shorte…

It will get much easier in the future when the likes of Meta collect and publish personal data down to the level of drinks choice. Researchers can then simply ask their institution to apply for a Meta-science subscription, pay for access to Meta-API to extract the data, hire a Meta-integration consultant to get it into a usable format, upgrade to Meta-science-plus in order to cross-reference Meta-pref with Meta-health, scramble to perform data analysis with the remaining two weeks active period, discover that there's a fatal bug in Meta-API because it was rushed to release by an ambitious product manager, wait two years for a bug-fix, and start over.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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post #11

I used to drink alcohol to self-medicate my social anxiety. I realized eventually, however, that, because it also lowered my inhibitions, I would do and say things I wouldn't have were I not inebriated. This is what effectively convinced me to give up the drink, as it were.

But isn't social anxiety a source of many harmful inhibitions? To me moderate lowering of inhibitions is a good thing, and a couple of beers helps with that. But with anything more the bad effects outweigh the good. Still, facing one's fears and going sober to anxiety inducing situations is absolutely much better long-term treatment of social anxiety. That has a lasting effect, alcohol doesn't.

There are also non-narcotic anxiolytics that don't lower your inhibitions. That was the ultimate solution I found for myself.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Have there been studies of nominally non-drinking sub-populations, such as Mormons or Muslims, to understand the effects of alcohol?

Yes, but those populations are far from completely dry. They may drink less, but do not represent a scientific control group. If you did find a totally dry community, the other cultural differances may well muddy the results too (diet, relationship to medical care etc).

Do you have support for that claim? Large, large parts of the Islamic world are not westernized at all — I would be very surprised if rural Yemeni housewives or Socotran shepherds ever drink, or for that matter 99% of people in pre-tourist-visa Saudi.

Hard agree on their being a myriad of confounding factors from genetics over climate and family relationships to diet, though...

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