Figma? I'm curious if this type of behavior is a reflection on the organization's culture in the larger sense. If so, it would explain why the 20 billion dollar acquisition to Adobe fell through.
Things I said as a manager part 2: Hiring is emotional
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#32Echoing what others are saying. This is just too much. I have been on both sides of this process. As a candidate, show you respect my time by being direct about the process (how long will it take? What fundamentals are you looking for? Who will I meet?). If you can't describe that in a 5 minute conversation your hiring practices are vague and could potentially give your company a bad reputation.
I know it's practically a meme in tech at this point how bad hiring is, but I honestly think we have too many people in the hiring chain who have no proper experience with evaluating people. This leads to this mentality of infantilism and perfection that will constantly lead to unhappiness from both sides of the decision. Can we somehow take cues from the past and improve hiring process efficiency while recognizing that hiring will always carry inherent risks for both parties?
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#33I remember not too long ago when you'd do a quick phone screen, then sit for maybe a technical interview and maybe come into the office for a panel to talk to other devs. Most of the time, hiring managers would say, "If you're close with your technical skills, we can teach you, but we're more interested if you fit in with our culture " Months of interaction? Why did just a few years ago, managers could spot a phony a…
I think it speaks to the internal politics. Run from those jobs if the hiring manager needs that long to make sure the hire is politically ok.
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#34I think your hiring process should ideally not last months for this reason.
Not ideally. I feel completely confident saying it should never last more than a month. That’s enough time for the slowest, oldest mammoths in the industry. There is no reason you should have to.
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#35Thank you, now I can cross one company off from my list.
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#36This reads like a parody of a LinkedIn post, poor candidate.
It's so awful, maybe it's a troll.
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#37Appalling. You were lucky the candidate was available for months of interaction. You deliberated too much and you lost out on what sounded like an excellent fit. No one is going to be perfect. No one is going to be at their best during interviews. Yet not understanding that when someone shows strength and promise that you bring them in to the role where there's a probationary period to do further evaluation shows a c…
Months as in 2 months is pretty normal. FAANG processes often take 6+ weeks.
And after that, this is a fully general critique. Hiring well means that there's a bar hires have to meet somewhere. You can argue that their bar is too high, but there's an identical story with a lower bar. It's disappointing to see someone interview and just barely not make the cut because we're human and can empathize. That doesn't make it the wrong decision.
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#38I remember not too long ago when you'd do a quick phone screen, then sit for maybe a technical interview and maybe come into the office for a panel to talk to other devs. Most of the time, hiring managers would say, "If you're close with your technical skills, we can teach you, but we're more interested if you fit in with our culture " Months of interaction? Why did just a few years ago, managers could spot a phony a…
> Why is it I feel like I'm dating you just to try and get a job?
And/Or it feels like going through a hazing ritual.
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#39Figma? I'm curious if this type of behavior is a reflection on the organization's culture in the larger sense. If so, it would explain why the 20 billion dollar acquisition to Adobe fell through.
It fell through because the DoJ openly said they were going to look at the merger on anti trust grounds and the deal was pulled back not long after
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#40This is the most puzzling thing I have read in a long time. In my current job, I manage offshore teams. I have hired a lot in the past couple years because we have grown a lot and turnover tends to be high for entry level positions. I don’t find hiring particularly emotional. You are basically looking for a skillset and a mindset compatible with the work environment. I agree that you are indeed trying to build a rela…
> In my current job, I manage offshore teams.
This is not the same thing. At all.
Of course you're not particularly emotional; these are low-stakes hires that aren't even in the same country. The process is likely a fraction of the time for a fraction of the money.
Maybe it's gotten better in recent time, but you also get mediocre results with hiring fast and cheap + offshoring.
> Turnover tends to be high
:facepalm: