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Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by beaglesss »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #25
collingreen wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a very important post; thank you for writing it. In general, if your kids don't trust you then fixing that should be your first priority before you start pointing fingers everywhere but inward. Parenting looks very very hard and I'm not implying this is easy - being worthy of trust is one of the hardest things in all our relationships. I do, however, think people need to reckon with the fact that a lo…

> if your kids don't trust you then fixing that should be your first priority before you start pointing fingers everywhere but inward While the present state of Musk and his daughter's relationship is detestable, I don't think we can conclude they didn't try--in private--to mend the relationship before she concluded it was a lost cause.

There's some interesting behavioral evolutionary calculus that might be interesting here though. If you find out your kid is trans there is a much lower chance they pass on your genes, could it be natural for the relationship to be more likely to break down after that?

I would think evolution would tend to more or less force the most parental resources to go to the most likely propagation of those genes. Especially if there are lots of other children to vie for attention and resources.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by vel0city »

guywithahat wrote: post #21

It does seem a bit weird to me that SpaceX was never based out of Houston and has such a small presence. They have the NASA base there and scores of private space companies, and the lack of zoning means the housing problem is permanently fixed (at least until someone zones the city). Moving Starlink production to Austin just feels like moving to a worse but slightly cheaper San Francisco.

Houston has mission control, lots of astronaut training, and a lot of administration in Houston. But Pasadena CA has the Jet Propulsion Lab, which is a big part of the design of the rockets and robots and what not.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by derdi »

strangattractor wrote: post #23
derdi wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes - I agree (I am a parent) that the law is stupid. If a kid doesn't want their parents to know something they should do it the old fashion way and lie as I did and my parents did before me etc:) The law seems to be about making it possible for kids to lie without the school snitching on them. You should be in favor of this law, no?

First the :) means I was somewhat joking. Second as much as I love CA the state has become increasingly interested in creating unenforcible and intrusive laws. Although I can see a case for protecting children from abusive parents (we have laws for that already) it seems to ignore other things. Like the following: 1. AFAIK - If a kid decides to change their pronoun around their friends the school is not required to r…

> First the :) means I was somewhat joking.

Sure, but about what? To me it came across as "I acknowledge my kids' right to privacy and chose to phrase this humorously". Now it sounds more like "I deny my kids' right to privacy and chose to phrase this humorously".

> 3. Where's the data to back this decision up?

As I understand it from other posters, individual schools had already ordered their teachers to snitch to parents. (How is that for government overreach?) The bill still allows teachers to snitch to parents, it just prevents the school from ordering them to snitch.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by etblg »

beaglesss wrote: post #31
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if your kids don't trust you then fixing that should be your first priority before you start pointing fingers everywhere but inward While the present state of Musk and his daughter's relationship is detestable, I don't think we can conclude they didn't try--in private--to mend the relationship before she concluded it was a lost cause.

There's some interesting behavioral evolutionary calculus that might be interesting here though. If you find out your kid is trans there is a much lower chance they pass on your genes, could it be natural for the relationship to be more likely to break down after that? I would think evolution would tend to more or less force the most parental resources to go to the most likely propagation of those genes. Especially i…

The motherfucker has 11 kids _that we know about_, maybe he should stop being so worried about passing on his genes Nick Cannon-style, and more worried about being a father to the ones he has.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by tomjakubowski »

vel0city wrote: post #32
guywithahat wrote: post #21

It does seem a bit weird to me that SpaceX was never based out of Houston and has such a small presence. They have the NASA base there and scores of private space companies, and the lack of zoning means the housing problem is permanently fixed (at least until someone zones the city). Moving Starlink production to Austin just feels like moving to a worse but slightly cheaper San Francisco.

Houston has mission control, lots of astronaut training, and a lot of administration in Houston. But Pasadena CA has the Jet Propulsion Lab, which is a big part of the design of the rockets and robots and what not.

The Los Angeles area in general has lots of aerospace engineering: besides JPL, Lockheed, Northrop, Boeing each have a big presence, not to mention the plethora of smaller defense contractors.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by sunshowers »

FireBeyond wrote: post #29
sunshowers wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear, the main animating force in Elon's life over the last few years is his oldest coming out as trans. That's why he bought Twitter and turned it into a nonstop Klan rally, that's why he supports Trump, that's why he opposes this law. His first-born is trans.

> His first-born is trans. Apropos of the rest of your point, his first-born died of SIDS at 10 weeks.

Ah, I wasn't aware. Sorry to hear that.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by enragedcacti »

strangattractor wrote: post #23
derdi wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes - I agree (I am a parent) that the law is stupid. If a kid doesn't want their parents to know something they should do it the old fashion way and lie as I did and my parents did before me etc:) The law seems to be about making it possible for kids to lie without the school snitching on them. You should be in favor of this law, no?

First the :) means I was somewhat joking. Second as much as I love CA the state has become increasingly interested in creating unenforcible and intrusive laws. Although I can see a case for protecting children from abusive parents (we have laws for that already) it seems to ignore other things. Like the following: 1. AFAIK - If a kid decides to change their pronoun around their friends the school is not required to r…

> 3. Where's the data to back this decision up?

LGBTQ kids report homelessness at much higher rates than their peers[1], are heavily over-represented in foster care[2], and report substantially higher rates of abuse[3].

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/gay-and-transgender...

https://youth.gov/youth-topics/lgbtq-youth/child-welfare

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8344346/

Side note but its kind of a funny question to ask when the literal text of the law includes citations to studies that back up the policy.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

beaglesss wrote: post #31
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if your kids don't trust you then fixing that should be your first priority before you start pointing fingers everywhere but inward While the present state of Musk and his daughter's relationship is detestable, I don't think we can conclude they didn't try--in private--to mend the relationship before she concluded it was a lost cause.

There's some interesting behavioral evolutionary calculus that might be interesting here though. If you find out your kid is trans there is a much lower chance they pass on your genes, could it be natural for the relationship to be more likely to break down after that? I would think evolution would tend to more or less force the most parental resources to go to the most likely propagation of those genes. Especially i…

> If you find out your kid is trans there is a much lower chance they pass on your genes, could it be natural for the relationship to be more likely to break down after that?

While we know transexuality—people having gender identities or conforming to gender norms other than those corresponding to their assigned sex—is preserved across millennia and disparate cultures [1], it’s unclear if it generalises beyond humans [2].

We do, however, see homosexuality across both time and cultures in humans and in animals [3]. That preservation strongly implies evolutionary benefits, whether as a side effect or—more likely, given its strong presentation in social animals—group selection.

So no, I don’t think there is evolutionary pressure for parents to reject trans (or gay) kids. Especially when they’re in a resource rich state.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexual#Historical_under...

[2] https://daily.jstor.org/transgender-proclivities-in-animals/

[3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_anima...

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by LightBug1 »

Dig1t wrote: post #26
falleng0d wrote: post #13

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> Man who hates that his trans child hates him angry These are very strong accusations. Do you have a reference or is this just an emotional response?

This is discussed in the Walter Isaacson biography that came out last year. Saying he “hates” his daughter is completely wrong and ignores first hand claims from both Musk and his biographer. >Musk only learned she had transitioned through a secondhand source >The wife of Elon's brother got a text, Isaacson wrote, which said: "Hey, I'm transgender, and my name is now Jenna". The text from the child, as in the biograp…

Christ ... that's a lot of quoting and referencing. The guy is a douche. It's as simple as that.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Post by strangattractor »

enragedcacti wrote: post #37
strangattractor wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First the :) means I was somewhat joking. Second as much as I love CA the state has become increasingly interested in creating unenforcible and intrusive laws. Although I can see a case for protecting children from abusive parents (we have laws for that already) it seems to ignore other things. Like the following: 1. AFAIK - If a kid decides to change their pronoun around their friends the school is not required to r…

> 3. Where's the data to back this decision up? LGBTQ kids report homelessness at much higher rates than their peers[1], are heavily over-represented in foster care[2], and report substantially higher rates of abuse[3]. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/gay-and-transgender... https://youth.gov/youth-topics/lgbtq-youth/child-welfare https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8344346/ Side note but its kind of…

In what way will this law prevent or improve the situation?

This law seems to be in reaction to laws that were passed in other states requiring the reporting. We don't have that in CA. Having looked at your sources I would agree there are problems but pronoun protection seems to be the least useful solution and likely posturing by certain politicians with Presidential ambitions. IMHO

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