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"Privacy-Preserving" Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us yet Again

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Re: "Privacy-Preserving" Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us yet Again

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Legitimate question here: Is there a legit reason to Firefox over Chrome at this point? I mean, its not performance, its not convenience, and now its not even privacy. At this rate, it looks like Firefox is going to end up just like Chrome, but slower and less fully featured.

Manifest V2/V3 is a reason to still use Firefox. There are still a lot of differences between the two browsers and a monoculture is still bad. How ever I see the pull towards Chromium.

Good point Manifest V3 is scary, but there are chromium forks out keeping it at bay, question is if thats a long terms solution or just a bandaid?

Re: "Privacy-Preserving" Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us yet Again

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It's really hard to stick with Mozilla/Firefox due to things like these. I updated my FF yesterday and at this point I make sure to check the settings for suddenly "opted-in" "features" I am not aware of. This one also was a big surprise. If I want to get screwed and sold to the advertisement industry by my browser vendor, I'd simply use Chrome. So please stop it, Firefox.

> It's really hard to stick with Mozilla/Firefox due to things like these. Even with this, it's still better than chrome.

I too prefer eating the excrement of a male bovine over other forms of manure.

Re: "Privacy-Preserving" Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us yet Again

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without PWA and a terrible service worker support, firefox holds the web behind.

Users don't care if their favourite websites are PWAs.

Not having PWA & Webworker support isn't a win. I use PWAs myself.

Re: "Privacy-Preserving" Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us yet Again

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Manifest V2/V3 is a reason to still use Firefox. There are still a lot of differences between the two browsers and a monoculture is still bad. How ever I see the pull towards Chromium.

without PWA and a terrible service worker support, firefox holds the web behind.

Well, they would be holding back the web, if they had significant marketshare. Personally at my job we dropped Firefox support. I imagine we're not the only ones to do so.

Re: "Privacy-Preserving" Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us yet Again

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https://librewolf.net/ - only a few tweaks to enable/disable to have sessions persist across quitting and re-opening but - as with any software updates, us users always suffer in having to re-check over all options to see what things changed on us (if we're lucky and get an option)

I recently installed LibreWolf to separate online lives, but I remain ignorant of what actually distinguishes FF and LW. Also, to which tweaks were you referring?

LibreWolf is essentially a custom build of Firefox with stuff like this disabled or removed.

Re: "Privacy-Preserving" Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us yet Again

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Firefox should have just focused on privacy, security, and customization/personalization. It's a niche that isn't filled by anyone else. That wasn't going to make them rich the way selling out their userbase to advertisers will, but it would have made them loved and successful. Right now, people who want their privacy violated are better off using chrome. Every time firefox pulls shit like this they piss off and alie…

They are focussing on privacy. They just didn’t communicate their approach very well.

https://andrewmoore.ca/blog/post/mozilla-ppa/

Re: "Privacy-Preserving" Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us yet Again

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Firefox should have just focused on privacy, security, and customization/personalization. It's a niche that isn't filled by anyone else. That wasn't going to make them rich the way selling out their userbase to advertisers will, but it would have made them loved and successful. Right now, people who want their privacy violated are better off using chrome. Every time firefox pulls shit like this they piss off and alie…

They are focussing on privacy. They just didn’t communicate their approach very well. https://andrewmoore.ca/blog/post/mozilla-ppa/

He's just saying what Mozilla said about it. Perhaps there are people who didn't understand Mozilla's statements, so this is a useful thing.

Regardless, I won't be participating in this effort. The advertising world has been so incredibly hostile for so long that I simply can't trust anything related to it.

Re: "Privacy-Preserving" Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us yet Again

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Firefox should have just focused on privacy, security, and customization/personalization. It's a niche that isn't filled by anyone else. That wasn't going to make them rich the way selling out their userbase to advertisers will, but it would have made them loved and successful. Right now, people who want their privacy violated are better off using chrome. Every time firefox pulls shit like this they piss off and alie…

They are focussing on privacy. They just didn’t communicate their approach very well. https://andrewmoore.ca/blog/post/mozilla-ppa/

> They are focussing on privacy.

They're literally tracking the ads you see and the websites you go to and sending that data to at least one third party. That's the opposite of privacy. I could not care less if the third party collecting my data is Google, Mozilla, or the ISRG, none of them have any business collecting my personal browsing history just so that they can send reports back to advertisers.

> That said, as much as I hate advertising, I also understand that it is fundamental in providing funding for services (such as YouTube, or most news organizations) that enables the free flow of information online. For democracy to function, for humanity to keep getting better, information must be accessible to all, not just to those who have the means to pay for it.

The internet was here before ads came in. The lie here is that for "democracy" and "humanity" we must accept ads and being tracked. It just isn't true. You could make the same argument for putting ads/tracking in linux (operating systems must be accessible, not just for those with the means to pay for them!) but it would still be a terrible argument.

> You have to remember that the alternative is NOT the absence of tracking, but invasive personalized tracking done by ad networks

This is another lie. Firstly because currently my browser isn't sending reports of what websites I visit to third parties so that ad companies can collect more data and that's still an option, but also because this will do nothing to stop personalized advertising.

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