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Tour de France riders are inhaling carbon monoxide in 'super altitude' recipe

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Re: Tour de France riders are inhaling carbon monoxide in 'super altitude' recipe

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post #22

> That’s what happened in January 2023 when two riders on Uno-X Mobility had to be taken to hospital after a go-karting session for team bonding left them with carbon monoxide poisoning. Surely it was the go-karting and the team-bonding...

Heh, “For some reason all these teams always do go-karting and indoor grilling bonding sessions before major tournaments…”

Couldn't afford to fly to Sierra Nevada or camp at Swiss mountains, so go-kart and indoor grilling it is.

Re: Tour de France riders are inhaling carbon monoxide in 'super altitude' recipe

#32
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what it is about cycling that seems to concentrate some of the most insane physiological manipulation (not sure if that's the right phrase tbh). Other sports like baseball/tennis/etc seem to have some issues with like general steroids. But the level that cyclists go to always seems to exceed them by orders of magnitude. I don't know how true it is, but I've heard that some cyclists had/have to set alarms…

I think because there's less "skill" required, in the sense of hand-eye coordination, than ball sports. The predominant factor seems to be how hard and how long you can push yourself. Once you reach the human body's natural physical limits, chemical advantage seems like the only way to break through those.

As a cyclist (albeit never raced), I want to get offended by this but I feel is largely correct. There is a lot of real time strategizing happening in road races however the marginal gains of simply having more Watts per kg for more hours trumps everything else.

Re: Tour de France riders are inhaling carbon monoxide in 'super altitude' recipe

#34
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what it is about cycling that seems to concentrate some of the most insane physiological manipulation (not sure if that's the right phrase tbh). Other sports like baseball/tennis/etc seem to have some issues with like general steroids. But the level that cyclists go to always seems to exceed them by orders of magnitude. I don't know how true it is, but I've heard that some cyclists had/have to set alarms…

I think because there's less "skill" required, in the sense of hand-eye coordination, than ball sports. The predominant factor seems to be how hard and how long you can push yourself. Once you reach the human body's natural physical limits, chemical advantage seems like the only way to break through those.

This is very wrong. These guys go downhill on small country roads very fast – sometimes over 100 kmh. You need deep riding skills to handle these speeds without getting injured.

Re: Tour de France riders are inhaling carbon monoxide in 'super altitude' recipe

#35

Latin American rowers from many countries train (or used to) at Tiquicaca Lake, in Bolivia. The highest lake in the world. Apparently intense training in a thin atmosphere made them more powerful when racing in richer atmospheres. Source: Olympic rower who is a friend.

It's quite common, and how it's done is often depending on where you compete (if you need high altitude experience during the race itself). So some practice sleep high train low, while others are high and do the workouts as well at altitude.

Many athletes also sleep in altitute tents. Basically something you wrap around your bed or a mask, that simulates being at altitute.

Re: Tour de France riders are inhaling carbon monoxide in 'super altitude' recipe

#37
post #25

If it confers an advantage, even a small one, and it's allowed, everyone will be compelled to do it in order to remain competitive. That's the crazy thing about high level sports. Either it's banned or everyone does it. There is no in between.

In cycling it's also common to do lots of stuff that might not even have an advantage. But when you see other teams do it, you don't dare not to.

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#38
post #6

This sounds very stupidly dangerous. I’m amazed this is legal, and that people would do it in the first place. I get wanting to win at all costs but this is nuts.

I don't know what it is about cycling that seems to concentrate some of the most insane physiological manipulation (not sure if that's the right phrase tbh). Other sports like baseball/tennis/etc seem to have some issues with like general steroids. But the level that cyclists go to always seems to exceed them by orders of magnitude. I don't know how true it is, but I've heard that some cyclists had/have to set alarms…

The other sports you listed provide much more strain on the muscoskeletal system and the cardio impact is bursty. But with cycling you have this amazingly efficient machine relieving that type of stress so it becomes more of an exercise of how efficiently the body can process oxygen and pump blood under constant duress.

Re: Tour de France riders are inhaling carbon monoxide in 'super altitude' recipe

#39
post #28
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, if I was gonna attempt this, it'd be N2 gas, or even CO2, but CO is stupid.

Nitrogen is apparently pretty dangerous too because, from what I understand, your body doesn't feel like it's not "getting enough air" like it does with high CO2 concentrations? Something like that, I don't recall the specifics...

It's build up of co2 in your lungs/body that gives you the urge to breathe, yeah. So any messing around with the air composition could kill you without noticing the lack of o2, as long as you keep breathing thus getting rid of the co2.

Re: Tour de France riders are inhaling carbon monoxide in 'super altitude' recipe

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Latin American rowers from many countries train (or used to) at Tiquicaca Lake, in Bolivia. The highest lake in the world. Apparently intense training in a thin atmosphere made them more powerful when racing in richer atmospheres. Source: Olympic rower who is a friend.

The reduced oxygen concentration prompts the generation of new red blood cells. That translates to a higher VO2-max back at regular altitudes.
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