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Re: Technology is about to accelerate. Because Chevron deference is over

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Post by StewardMcOy »

nine_k wrote: post #27
hanniabu wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it should be an easy political win for legislators to smack it down with some new more specific laws. Which is a lengthy process and relies on Congress actually being effective and free of corruption, which they aren't.

While agencies may be faster, are they, in general, more effective and less corrupt?

Than the United States Congress? They're absolutely more effective. Congress may have been an innovative design in 1787, but it's grown into such a pile of misaligned incentives that it's almost completely dysfunctional.

As for corruption, I suspect agencies may be more or less corrupt on an individual basis. I don't have any hard data, but I suspect they're less corrupt on average. The Supreme Court has, repeatedly, given Congress members the go-ahead to be almost as corrupt as they want, while they're harsher on executive branch agencies.

Re: Technology is about to accelerate. Because Chevron deference is over

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

The kind of juvenile ra-ra-istic commentary you'd expect from this dude.

Meanwhile the odds of consumers getting anything radically shrinks. Consumer privacy or transparency is much less likely to happen.

Technology probably do a better job paving people over.

Re: Technology is about to accelerate. Because Chevron deference is over

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Post by readthenotes1 »

hapticmonkey wrote: post #5

The examples are so horrendous I thought it was satire. I can’t wait for genome, cryptocurrency, and nuclear power startups to “move fast and break things” and screw up so badly and remind us why we had these regulations to begin with.

Or, it can remind us why we have Congress in the first place.

Another article trending here is talking about what a great power grab it is by the supreme Court, which is true in a sense, but mostly it is saying to the Congress that you actually have to do your job.

Re: Technology is about to accelerate. Because Chevron deference is over

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Post by StewardMcOy »

somenameforme wrote: post #10
hanniabu wrote: post #3

It's important to note that balajis is anti-regulation, so his bias points out all the downsides of Chevron while ignoring the benefits.

What were the benefits? The problem I have with the system is that if there was some concept that 'needed' to be regulated, there's absolutely nothing stopping Congress from doing so. In fact there's also nothing stopping various regulatory agencies from doing so. But Chevron deference essentially removed the check-and-balance that the judicial system provided, in cases where regulators may have gone beyond their leg…

One benefit of Chevron was the recent banning of non-competes. If you're interested in fostering innovation, banning non-competes is a good idea. [1]

The idea that Congress could and pass regulations in a timely manner is a nice one. Unfortunately, Congress is almost completely dysfunctional, so there's a near-zero chance of that happening.

Many of the recent Supreme Court rulings seem to hinge on this idea that Congress can and should fulfill its role. And while that would be great, it completely ignores the reality of modern Congress. I fear we're going to suffer some extreme effects because the court is ruling based on how they think things ought to be, rather than what things are.

1: https://hbr.org/2023/02/banning-noncompetes-is-good-for-inno...

Re: Technology is about to accelerate. Because Chevron deference is over

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Post by tzs »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #35
hapticmonkey wrote: post #5

The examples are so horrendous I thought it was satire. I can’t wait for genome, cryptocurrency, and nuclear power startups to “move fast and break things” and screw up so badly and remind us why we had these regulations to begin with.

Or, it can remind us why we have Congress in the first place. Another article trending here is talking about what a great power grab it is by the supreme Court, which is true in a sense, but mostly it is saying to the Congress that you actually have to do your job.

Their job is to make laws.

It is not possible except in some simple cases to make those laws completely specify every detail and cover every case when dealing with large complex topics, so there will almost always be cases where those executing the law will need to have some gaps filled in order to carry the law.

That was true long before Chevron, true during Chevron, and is still true.

Re: Technology is about to accelerate. Because Chevron deference is over

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Post by actsasbuffoon »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #35
hapticmonkey wrote: post #5

The examples are so horrendous I thought it was satire. I can’t wait for genome, cryptocurrency, and nuclear power startups to “move fast and break things” and screw up so badly and remind us why we had these regulations to begin with.

Or, it can remind us why we have Congress in the first place. Another article trending here is talking about what a great power grab it is by the supreme Court, which is true in a sense, but mostly it is saying to the Congress that you actually have to do your job.

Congress did their job. They granted authority to regulatory agencies who are much better equipped to make these sorts of decisions. Regulatory agencies employ scientists and subject matter experts in their relevant fields.

Our congresspeople are a mixture of serious people and clowns who are very good at saying outrageous things to get on television. Even the serious people cannot possibly be well-rounded enough to have the kind of expertise necessary to write perfectly detailed regulations for every possible field.

Could I come up with some regulations related to tech? Sure. But it would be a terrible idea to ask me to write financial, medical, or environmental regulations.

Like I said, Congress did their jobs. Sometimes delegating to experts is the smartest move.

Re: Technology is about to accelerate. Because Chevron deference is over

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Post by piva00 »

nine_k wrote: post #29
piva00 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is 23 And Me supplying you with an analysis of your genome horrendous? No, but forever storing it, cross-matching it with others, and eventually leaking this data is horrendous. If 23 And Me was just a genome analysis for preventive healthcare company you wouldn't be citing it because that's not "exciting" enough but it'd be as useful as it can be without the harmful side of collecting this biometric data at such s…

But won't a preventive healthcare company be subject to these same risks of cross-matching and leaking? Also, not that 23 And Me were secretive about all that, they advertised the cross-matching before you order the kit, and data leak risks is something one should automatically consider when sharing any private data with anyone at all.' If there is any harm done, it's not in telling people how much Neanderthal DNA th…

> But won't a preventive healthcare company be subject to these same risks of cross-matching and leaking?

For cross-matching no, why would they be cataloguing genealogy trees if they didn't provide that service? Or if they did for any necessary further analysis/research (like tracing some evolution of genetic defect) it could be anonymised and discarded after use.

For leaking data, I agree there would be a risk but not providing services that require the genetic data to be available at all times for 23 And Me would lessen the issue. Either simply discard the data when not necessary anymore for the healthcare assessment; or if they wanted to keep it for the convenience of the customer then it could be encrypted with some key only the customer has access to, and which if needed the customer could provide for their service request.

Voluntarily signing up for it shouldn't remove all ethical issues from 23 And Me, a common person as a customer is not an all-knowing being who is informed enough about all the potential risks of giving such data to a company. It's not reasonable to expect that every customer is well informed about that.

Re: Technology is about to accelerate. Because Chevron deference is over

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Post by daft_pink »

The reality of it is not that these things should or shouldn’t be illegal, but that congress should have to discuss, compromise and pass a law about it.

This rule gives the power back to congress where a supermajority of senators has to pass everything instead of the regulator.

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