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Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by phone8675309 »

lmz wrote: post #29
wiseowise wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://docs.orbstack.dev/faq#open-source Into the trash it goes.

Along with the OS it runs on? Or is it just App developers that you don't allow to make money?

How pure does someone need to be before you leave them alone?

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by geerlingguy »

yeldarb wrote: post #28

Anyone know if there’s a way to get access to devices in a container on MacOS yet? (Eg USB webcam, MPS or CUDA accelerator)

I think Tart or one of the other more VM-like emulators was working on USB support at least; it's not a simple problem to solve, and I'm still not to the point I was with VirtualBox on Intel Macs in terms of being able to emulate any situation easily.

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by 5kg »

5kg wrote: post #17
hedora wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want something more general purpose, Canonical Multipass has a good sample docker setup. Annoyingly, This is the only Canonical product I can recommend at this point. I use it with MacOS. I assume WSL is a better choice for Windows laptops, and there’s no reason to add a VM to get docker on Linux. https://multipass.run/docs/docker-how-to

I liked Multipass until I ran into storage corruption issues like many others [1][2] and broke all my VMs. On MacOS, Multipass uses qemu in which the apple-hvf support isn't getting much updates after 2021 [3]. [1]: https://github.com/canonical/multipass/issues/3455 [2]: https://github.com/canonical/multipass/issues/3235 [3]: https://github.com/qemu/qemu/commits/master/accel/hvf

The VM disk corruption problem has been affecting all open source Apple hvf hypervisors. lima with vfkit or UTM are most promising ones for now: https://github.com/lima-vm/lima/issues/1957#issuecomment-182..., https://github.com/lima-vm/lima/pull/2026, https://github.com/utmapp/UTM/pull/5919

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by bdcravens »

antihero wrote: post #21
eknkc wrote: post #16

If you are on macOS, give OrbStack a shot. It works surprisingly well and fast.

I'll give it a shot - how useful are the Pro features?

I subscribed, but only to be license-compliant. I've never used a pro feature, though I've looked at things like the debug mode. Honestly I just use the same set of command line tools I'd use with the official Docker client.

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by PufPufPuf »

planewave wrote: post #13
PufPufPuf wrote: post #5

I'm a fan of Rancher Desktop -- it has everything integrated and working out of the box, it can even provide the CLI tools like docker, kubectl or helm for you. On the other hand, in Podman Desktop, you can't even use an image from Podman Desktop docker in Podman Desktop kubernetes without extra steps. I'd recommend it only if you want Podman specifically. If you just want to run docker and/or kubernetes, I'd go with…

Yes! Maybe I’m always expecting the wrong thing with Podman Desktop, but I can’t ever get it to work the way I expect it to - on Windows or Mac. Rancher Desktop, however, has been a breeze. Same with using Lima.[0] With Lima: limactrl create template://docker [0] https://lima-vm.io/

There's also Colima, which allows you to run "colima start --kubernetes" to set up everything with Lima. However it needs some additional setup with the CLI tooling, so I rather recommend Rancher Desktop.

...and on Linux running the actual docker daemon, of course.

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by k8sToGo »

eknkc wrote: post #16

If you are on macOS, give OrbStack a shot. It works surprisingly well and fast.

Does it keep things contained?

Does it mess up or clutter the system?

Currently I am using a Fusion VM to have something similar to WSL2 on Mac. Is this a better solution?

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by mrweasel »

betaby wrote: post #3

Podman Destop is surprisingly bad on MacOS. It has a kind of proxy-like/userspace network driver. That means your tcp connection shown in a host system through `netstat`. ICPM is not implemented and always returns success. Try running `ping 66.0.0.0` or any other non-existing IP from the container and see. At that moment I'll continue using, well, podman in a Linux VM running UTM.

I would go so far at saying that Podman Desktop for macOS is non-functional. My understanding is that Podman Desktop will spin up some sort of Linux VM to do all the actual containerization, and the network/proxy is just a mess. For all I know Docker Desktop does the same, but if it does it's better at hiding it.

Docker Desktop also works perfectly well with AMD64 emulation and/or Rosetta.

Re: Podman Desktop 1.11: Light mode, Kubernetes features, macOS improvements

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Post by lmz »

phone8675309 wrote: post #31
lmz wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Along with the OS it runs on? Or is it just App developers that you don't allow to make money?

How pure does someone need to be before you leave them alone?

There's an obvious answer if they want an open source container experience that works great (at least the container part, not the desktop part): run it on Linux. To slam a Mac only product that by most accounts runs well, and quite a bit better than its competitors, just because it's not Open Source is disgusting.
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