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Hard work wins in business (a.k.a. it ain't just about luck)

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Re: Hard work wins in business (a.k.a. it ain't just about luck)

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As someone who is actively pursuing entrepreneurship for the past year, while doing it on-off pretty much from the beginning of my career (about 15 years), as well as following other solopreneurs/indie-hackers on social network--I move closer and closer to the realization that it's majorly luck based. Let me explain. Yes, it's humbleness to say that it's all luck, and I think it's egocentric to claim that you know ho…

I struggled 10 years to find a SaaS product that worked, launched 20 projects (and there was no AI back then), way before the "indie hackers" movement.

Now our company is doing a few millions a year, highly profitable, no VC or external investment.

Was luck that I decided to try over and over? I might got lucky, but I persisted for so long while many others gave up. For me, making your own luck fits very well. Working hard gives you opportunities and you learn in the process so on next try, chances are better. Last projects got more and more profitable as I learned how to identify what people want.

Re: Hard work wins in business (a.k.a. it ain't just about luck)

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post #6

Hard work from those in the bottom works for the top, but rarely for those in the bottom.

This is a cynical, nihilist, and "loser" mentality. Tell that to my mom and dad who are immigrants, worked their tales off and are now millionaires. Tell that to my cousin who is also an immigrant and went from concrete laborer to owner of a concrete company. Tell that to one of my best friends -- also an immigrant, who started as a framer and is now has his own home building company. Hard work works especially for t…

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Re: Hard work wins in business (a.k.a. it ain't just about luck)

#34
"Hard work wins in business (a.k.a. it ain't just about luck)"

says every 'successful' business person, company owner, shareholder, etc.

No doubt hard work is a major, or even necessary, factor; when you work hard, you create a much larger surface area for luck, and also capitalize on whatever luck does hit you.

But let's not pretend.

Many people work hard, much harder than many entrepreneurs, and still barely scrape by. There was an article here about UBI that mentioned someone working as a cook (notoriously hard work and long hours), but who was living in his car in the parking lot, unable to afford rent. What kind of system is that?

Also there's rather more motivation to work hard when you're effectively getting $1000's per hour as a company owner vs $2.75 or whatever minimum wage works out as, factoring in benefit cuts as a result of employment.

And BTW I don't think it's only 'pure' luck as most people conceive - it's about stumbling on those gaps and loopholes in the system, or that your father happens to know a guy researching an algorithm that would give your SaaS a winning edge, etc, etc, so a good part of 'luck' boils down to socioeconomic privilege.

Re: Hard work wins in business (a.k.a. it ain't just about luck)

#35
Ants and weeds and viruses are hard workers too and they can wreck the entire environment following 24x7 whatever dumb ass simple rules they are capable of coming up with.

A lot of "success" we see today is coming at the cost of wasting someone elses time and energy. And the more we celebrate it the more mindless harworkers think they are on the right path.

Re: Hard work wins in business (a.k.a. it ain't just about luck)

#36

Why can't it be both? You can work hard and the business can still flop due to things outside of your control. I started a business a year before Covid hit. I worked hard and did multiple weeks of working 6 - 7 days. Then Covid popped up and my customer base slowly dried up due to people struggling to make ends meet. Working hard wouldn't have prevent Covid.

Actually, it's neither.

The two most important factors that determine whether a business will succeed are good decision-making and capital.

For example, if you'd had enough cash to finance three years of operating at a loss, your business probably could have survived Covid.

That's how many businesses survived Covid: they had a lot of cash in the bank, and they made the good decision of cutting costs to the bone until demand returned.

There are a hundred little decisions that need to be made wisely, and the businesses that fail are usually the ones that made the wrong choices. Anything that affects margins or your competitive advantage is a huge deal. Smart accounting is the backbone of any business that's built to last.

What type of business to start, of course, is one of those key decisions.

Hard work is remarkably ineffective at moving the needle once you scale up a bit. That doesn't mean you don't have to work hard, you still do, actually when you have something good going on, you tend to realize that you'd be an idiot to screw it up through laziness.

But you only have to hit about a dozen employees to be at the threshold where your personal time makes little difference beyond maybe a few key accounts or something. What will make the difference in the long run is the systems you put in place, which of course comes down to some very nuanced decision-making.

Luck, well of course it helps, until it doesn't, no one's lucky forever.

So I maintain that the name of the game is making consistently good decisions and having access to enough cash to weather any storm.

Re: Hard work wins in business (a.k.a. it ain't just about luck)

#37

This blog post doesn't have much useful content, but I'll add a piece of advice I wish someone had told me when I was ±15: Most decision makers are fundamentally lazy. When they're choosing the person to promote to manager, the employee to hire, the startup company to invest in, or the restaurant to have lunch at, the decision methodology used is in no way optimal or hyper-rational. It's mostly just based what's fami…

Working in consulting this rings true a lot. You need to get your foot inside the door, but if you then work hard to deliver it can open new opportunities and if you work hard with those you will get more of them. Reminds me of one of our customers where I saw this working. Started from small thing and then expanded to multiple services in different areas. And I don't feel our work is anything special, but it is at least good enough. And I believe that none of this work was at loss either.

Re: Hard work wins in business (a.k.a. it ain't just about luck)

#38

As someone who is actively pursuing entrepreneurship for the past year, while doing it on-off pretty much from the beginning of my career (about 15 years), as well as following other solopreneurs/indie-hackers on social network--I move closer and closer to the realization that it's majorly luck based. Let me explain. Yes, it's humbleness to say that it's all luck, and I think it's egocentric to claim that you know ho…

I struggled 10 years to find a SaaS product that worked, launched 20 projects (and there was no AI back then), way before the "indie hackers" movement. Now our company is doing a few millions a year, highly profitable, no VC or external investment. Was luck that I decided to try over and over? I might got lucky, but I persisted for so long while many others gave up. For me, making your own luck fits very well. Workin…

Sure, I don't deny the importance of hard work. But then again, how many people worked hard, the same hard as you or maybe even harder, and it took them 20 years to get to 1M? 30 years? How many never made it despite working hard?

I feel like we, humans, have some repulsion towards "getting lucky". It's seen as a discredit of our hard work, and yet, I think luck plays way bigger role. And it's spread across the board starting from the type of community you are born into, the education you get, the access to connection you and/or your family has, the money, etc.

It doesn't mean that it's only luck. As I said, you can get lucky a thousand time but if you didn't prepare for it, then it's not worth it. This is why consistency is important.

Re: Hard work wins in business (a.k.a. it ain't just about luck)

#39
pretty lazy article, the answer is both are necessary if you are talking about outlier success

hard work will typically at least lead to a good outcome, but often not a great outcome, so it's still a good idea, but of course hard working people are often taken advantage of by sociopaths

see: https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-...

as we in the west have burned through our cultural infrastructure of reciprocity and solidarity, appeals to "hard work" are going to ring increasingly hollow to young people priced out of the life their parents had, i don't blame my young students for their cynicism

Re: Hard work wins in business (a.k.a. it ain't just about luck)

#40
post #27

Why can't it be both? You can work hard and the business can still flop due to things outside of your control. I started a business a year before Covid hit. I worked hard and did multiple weeks of working 6 - 7 days. Then Covid popped up and my customer base slowly dried up due to people struggling to make ends meet. Working hard wouldn't have prevent Covid.

One of the products I built was profitable because I sent a tweet to some guy, he answered, gave me the contact to some other guy that was in charge of purchases and he told me send me a proposal, which he later accepted. I would call that 99% luck, because I had done that before in multiple occasions but no one answered.

> because I had done that before in multiple occasions

Doing something after failing multiple times can be hard work.

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