Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

theregister.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–40 of 60 posts

Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

#31

Post by romwell »

timcobb wrote: post #22
newsclues wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram is a big source of news within Russia for Osint, banning access would be detrimental to journalism

TG isn't Russian, I believe they are based in Dubai

It doesn't matter where the shell company is formally registered.

The founder and CTO is Durov, whose previous project, VKontakte (Facebook clone) has been effectively confiscated by Russian government.

Telegram is a Russian project. People are hoping that because it's made by a "good" Russian who isn't in Russia anymore, and holds a grudge against Russian government, Telegram won't have Russian backdoors.

I'd say, that is rather optimistic.

Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

#32

Post by galaxyLogic »

karaterobot wrote: post #26

My first thought was "what do they know about Kaspersky that makes them suddenly want to burn it to the ground?" This article talks about some possible reasons: https://www.wired.com/story/us-kaspersky-ban-evidence/ > Stories in the New York Times and Wall Street Journal have since cited anonymous sources accusing Kaspersky of siphoning American secrets, including the files of an NSA staffer, to its own servers, wher…

Right, it's not about whether Kaspersky has done or spread any malware so far, it's about what they could do if Russian government threatens to throw their managers out of 13th-floor window. It's a threat especially because AV-apps have full control of people's machines.

And Russia is sanctioned by US in many other ways because Russia started a war against Ukraine. So why not sanction Russian software companies as well. Makes sense if you think starting wars should be discouraged.

Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

#33

Post by ein0p »

romwell wrote: post #31
timcobb wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TG isn't Russian, I believe they are based in Dubai

It doesn't matter where the shell company is formally registered. The founder and CTO is Durov, whose previous project, VKontakte (Facebook clone) has been effectively confiscated by Russian government. Telegram is a Russian project. People are hoping that because it's made by a "good" Russian who isn't in Russia anymore, and holds a grudge against Russian government, Telegram won't have Russian backdoors. I'd say, t…

If we’re going that far, wouldn’t one then logically assume that all US software has US backdoors? What does that mean for other countries?

Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

#34

Post by skissane »

We may be moving towards a situation in which the West and the China/Russia block end up being completely disjoint as far as proprietary software goes (whether cloud or on-premise), due to each banning the proprietary software of the other, although still sharing open source in common. The long-term consequences could be interesting.

Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

#35

Post by nradov »

skissane wrote: post #34

We may be moving towards a situation in which the West and the China/Russia block end up being completely disjoint as far as proprietary software goes (whether cloud or on-premise), due to each banning the proprietary software of the other, although still sharing open source in common. The long-term consequences could be interesting.

That's a good insight. The likely consequence will be that security services on both sides increasingly target open source projects as a zone of conflict, both by trying to inject security vulnerabilities that they can exploit when used by the other side and by trying to detect vulnerabilities prior to use on their side. The maintainers and code committers on major open source projects will be targeted for recruitment as intelligence assets.

Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

#36

Post by OutOfHere »

skissane wrote: post #34

We may be moving towards a situation in which the West and the China/Russia block end up being completely disjoint as far as proprietary software goes (whether cloud or on-premise), due to each banning the proprietary software of the other, although still sharing open source in common. The long-term consequences could be interesting.

It's an opportunity to move to open source software. As an example, if uBlock Origin can be open and work for the world, why can't something else?

Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

#38

Post by 2Gkashmiri »

a few days ago when kremlin asked mozilla to remove anti-circumvention tools from mozilla store, the internet exploded with "sold outs" and "succumbed to pressure of the oppressive government" but now here we are.

isn't this hypocrisy? on your part, i mean the HN crowd

Re: Biden puts a bullet in Kaspersky: Sales, updates to be banned in America

#40

Post by riehwvfbk »

ein0p wrote: post #33
romwell wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter where the shell company is formally registered. The founder and CTO is Durov, whose previous project, VKontakte (Facebook clone) has been effectively confiscated by Russian government. Telegram is a Russian project. People are hoping that because it's made by a "good" Russian who isn't in Russia anymore, and holds a grudge against Russian government, Telegram won't have Russian backdoors. I'd say, t…

If we’re going that far, wouldn’t one then logically assume that all US software has US backdoors? What does that mean for other countries?

[flagged]
Post reply on HN