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New York bans 'addictive feeds' for teens

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Re: New York bans 'addictive feeds' for teens

#31

This is obviously unconstitutional and it'll be shot down in the courts before it takes effect since this is their version of KOSA among other First Amendment issues. Some context here: https://www.techdirt.com/2024/06/11/nys-safe-for-kids-act-a-...

What is unconstitutional about it?

Re: New York bans 'addictive feeds' for teens

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, this feels like a bad-faith argument. I think most of us on this site first-hand feel that obsession to update a feed that seems to control us more than we control it. I don't need the DSM's permission to notice that. Whether the ban will work out, open question. But pretending there's no addiction here doesn't pass the smell test.

I have never felt any compulsion to update a feed. I would like some actual numbers of people that have a debilitating relationship with social media before we pass a bunch of laws restricting it.

Lots of people have never experienced depression but don't feel the need to claim that means it's not real.

Re: New York bans 'addictive feeds' for teens

#33

No feeds from addictive algorithms? No notifications after midnight? Can we please raise the age from 18 to maybe 65?

should be for all regardless of age; long as "age" is a required input, there will be incentive to track users one way or another. if its ageless, they have no right to ask for that information (unless they find some other means - which is what we should care about more: stop collecting + tracking users, and parents should be supervising their own kids)

Re: New York bans 'addictive feeds' for teens

#34

This is obviously unconstitutional and it'll be shot down in the courts before it takes effect since this is their version of KOSA among other First Amendment issues. Some context here: https://www.techdirt.com/2024/06/11/nys-safe-for-kids-act-a-...

First Amendment doesn't cover things that cause direct harm or speech to minors. In this case, you can draw a straight line between social media usage and an increase in teen suicides, and keeping them on it for long periods is detrimental to their overall mental health especially when they don't have fully developed impulse control or are not legally expected to. You're not allowed to advertise gambling products, alcohol and tobacco to minors under the First Amendment. You can't intentionally show porn to a minor without going to jail in many cases. (18 U.S. Code § 1470 - Transfer of obscene material to minors)

You want to get adults addicted and express yourself to them, so be it, but the legal distinction on limitations on what you can express to minors is well documented.

Re: New York bans 'addictive feeds' for teens

#35

This is obviously unconstitutional and it'll be shot down in the courts before it takes effect since this is their version of KOSA among other First Amendment issues. Some context here: https://www.techdirt.com/2024/06/11/nys-safe-for-kids-act-a-...

Seems like they're getting around the complaints about the previously overturned laws by just going after the feed order while not banning access to the underlying content via conventional means.

Re: New York bans 'addictive feeds' for teens

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same legal protections already apply. You can invite a person into your house to perform a service for you. They can define conditions on performing their service: "I'll shampoo your carpet for $50." Those conditions could also be "I'll shampoo your carpet every month if you let me read your credit card bill every month." You don't have to agree to this! If you don't want to let them read your credit card bill, y…

The tech world does not give you the choice of letting you pay for privacy or pay by invading your privacy. Now, you can nitpick that you can build your own service or host your service, but then the question becomes why is programming/sysadmin knowledge a prerequisite for using your phone?

“Here’s a hypothetical ideal analogy, doesn’t that seem reasonable?” is one of my least-favorite types of arguments in cases where the observable reality is extremely different.

Who cares what it might be like? We can see what it is like.

Re: New York bans 'addictive feeds' for teens

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post #4

Another case of the political use of medical terms in completely unsupported ways for political goals. There is no medical or scientific support for the use of the word "addiction" in this context. It's a meme that's become more dangerous than the problem it imagines. It's not in the DSM 5 or ICD10 and not because they haven't addressed it in committee. They have, as recently as 2020 and found no support for it. And…

There is no requirement for laws to use words with the same meaning as they’re used in one specific niche publication. “Addictive” is a normal English word; it doesn’t exclusively belong to psychiatry.

Addiction was a meaningful word long before the DSM

Re: New York bans 'addictive feeds' for teens

#39

At a glance this sounds like fast food.

Are you talking about how they are handling the thing, or the thing itself? If the thing itself, I'd say it is closer to niccotine/bigTobacco more than fast food. These people are intentionally tweaking the algo to make it more addictive just like bigTobacco did.

Re: New York bans 'addictive feeds' for teens

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post #3

first airbnb, and now this, you love to see it. hopefully banning all gambling is next

I’m always amazed by how much some people want the government to control.

It's only a natural reaction when nothing else is in control. Unless you think that social media platforms are fine as is.

I understand the hesitancy to government control, but at some point, what other mechanism is there? I'm seriously asking.

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