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EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by mort96 »

HPsquared wrote: post #22
thrance wrote: post #11

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Socialist?? The EU is still primarily a neoliberalist institution, I can't think of a single socialist reform it upheld. It's all about enforcing privatization of what wasn't yet and fostering economic competition among its members. Are you just throwing words you don't understand?

Regional development, common agricultural policy, European social fund... There are many things that could be considered a bit socialist. All the directives regulating business, competition regulation too... EU is not really classical liberal or nationalist.

In what way is regional development or common policy or regulating business "socialist" in any way?

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by ai_what »

mort96 wrote: post #27
ai_what wrote: post #12

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I have never ever before in my whole life seen anyone, either online or offline, under any circumstance, seen someone point to something good the EU did and claim it as an example of socialism working. It's simply not socialist.

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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by sofixa »

bun_terminator wrote: post #17
tomalbrc wrote: post #13

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Maybe think just 1 step ahead: is the far right going to not do that or do worse than this?

they often strife to abolish the EU, which is highly desirable for every citizen

Brexit proves you wrong.

And so does practically any poll in any EU country, as well as many non-EU countries where people are desperate to get in (be it in the Western Balkans or the Caucasus).

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by mort96 »

ai_what wrote: post #33
mort96 wrote: post #27

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I have never ever before in my whole life seen anyone, either online or offline, under any circumstance, seen someone point to something good the EU did and claim it as an example of socialism working. It's simply not socialist.

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"Socialized healthcare" is not "socialist healthcare", in fact a fundamentally capitalist society would benefit from socialized healthcare simply because the state subsidizing the health of workers benefits the owning class...

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by 1f60c »

Has anyone in power thought through the scale of this? Even if it has a frankly exceptional error rate of just 0.001%, that still means tens of thousands of innocent Europeans will have their lives ruined every day. And, assuming there's a human in the loop, who are we going to traumatize to check The Machine's work? Is it going to be Kenyans again^, or Eastern Europeans this time?

^ https://theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/02/ai-chatbot-tr...

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

ai_what wrote: post #19
tomalbrc wrote: post #15

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Sorry, what? No one ever says “Socialism can work” when “something good happens”. You are American aren’t you

So you also believe the "socialist parties" aren't actually socialist?

> So you also believe the "socialist parties" aren't actually socialist?

Yep! 90% of the members of PSOE are not actually socialists, they only bear the name of it. Take for example the Democratic Party in Italy (PD), it's member of the PSOE, but it has became mainly "a Catholic-inspired, centrist, catch-all party" [1] with sprinkles of liberal individual rights (mostly LGBTQ stuff).

Liberals are not socialists.

[1] quoting Wikipedia here on the definition of the Christian Democracy party in Italy (DC) that ruled consecutively for over 40 years since the end of WWII whose leftist component merged into PD together with the rightmost component of the former PCI (communist party). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Democracy_(Italy))

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by kvgr »

thrance wrote: post #11
abc123abc123 wrote: post #5

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Socialist?? The EU is still primarily a neoliberalist institution, I can't think of a single socialist reform it upheld. It's all about enforcing privatization of what wasn't yet and fostering economic competition among its members. Are you just throwing words you don't understand?

Tell me more how all the money transfers are neoliberal? How the “creating of european idea” is neoliberal? How “we must have minimal taxes in europe” is neoliberal. Industrial subsidies for car and aeroplane companies. Compulsary social and retirement policies. In EU socialism is the norm, everything outside is branded almost extreme right. And right is a bad word in EU. If you take right and cut out russian support, keep taxes and less money distribution, promote personal tesponsibility you are still extreme right.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by HPsquared »

mort96 wrote: post #31
HPsquared wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regional development, common agricultural policy, European social fund... There are many things that could be considered a bit socialist. All the directives regulating business, competition regulation too... EU is not really classical liberal or nationalist.

In what way is regional development or common policy or regulating business "socialist" in any way?

Collective control over the means of production, and redistribution of wealth.
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