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How to get stuff repaired when the manufacturer don't wanna: take 'em to court

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Re: How to get stuff repaired when the manufacturer don't wanna: take 'em to court

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post #13

Asking a warranty repair on a 9 years old oven is a bit of a stretch. I doubt it'd fly in the EU.

> Hilariously the retailer's parent company, has a blog post that gives explicit ranges for different appliances. Electric ovens should last 13 years according to them.

Re: How to get stuff repaired when the manufacturer don't wanna: take 'em to court

#32
post #3

Does anyone know whether and how this translates to other places in the world? For me, it's the most interesting with EU/Sweden. We don't have courts like this do we?

I don't think it's actually what you meant to ask (I think you are actually interested in legally mandated warranties rather than the courts where they're enforced) but I think most countries have something equivalent to "small claims court" to make low-stakes suits viable.

I have successfully used exactly the same technique of "get a court date, wait for your opponent to contact you and resolve the issue, cancel the court date" in the past to challenge an illegal rent increase in Switzerland. The court for that here is called the Schlichtungsbehörde.

Re: How to get stuff repaired when the manufacturer don't wanna: take 'em to court

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question I ask straight back at you: how long do you think an oven should last?

9 years is a lot to expect it to be under warranty...

But the flip of that is that if the manufacturer doesn't think it'll work longer than 2 years, that needs to be disclosed forcefully at sale time.

Re: How to get stuff repaired when the manufacturer don't wanna: take 'em to court

#35
post #13

Asking a warranty repair on a 9 years old oven is a bit of a stretch. I doubt it'd fly in the EU.

Which is entirely irrelevant in Australia as the consumer law is based on expectations and the value of the item.

If I buy an expensive fridge and it fails in 5 years due to a faulty component, then that is up to the retailer and manufacturer to sort out between themselves as to who wears the cost of replacement or repair.

Re: How to get stuff repaired when the manufacturer don't wanna: take 'em to court

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We've got a similar thing in New Zealand: the Consumer Guarantees Act. The people who sold the broken thing to you can either fix it, replace it, or refund you the cost of it. The decision is unfortunately up to them, so they sadly often replace things rather than fixing them.

Consumer NZ is usually used as the independent source for expected product lifetimes: https://www.consumer.org.nz/articles/appliance-life-expectan.... Interestingly, they specify 15 years for an oven, which is more than the company in this article claimed electric ovens should last for.

Re: How to get stuff repaired when the manufacturer don't wanna: take 'em to court

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question I ask straight back at you: how long do you think an oven should last?

9 years is a lot to expect it to be under warranty...

Warranty is not the same as reasonable expected lifetime. Under warranty, the burden of proof is at the manufacturers side. The 2 years is typical for electric appliances, but it is from jurisprudence only. The law actually states that it should last as long as can reasonably expected. Intentionally vague, but yes, I would expect an oven to last longer than 2 years!

In fact, we should be able to build ovens that last a lifetime. And not only ovens, there are many appliances and gear that can easily be made to last a lifetime, except for some wearing parts. However, many companies that did this were competed to bankruptcy by cheap low quality competing products.

With the abundance of low(er) quality products, we tend to expect a shorter lifetime.

Re: How to get stuff repaired when the manufacturer don't wanna: take 'em to court

#38
post #3

Does anyone know whether and how this translates to other places in the world? For me, it's the most interesting with EU/Sweden. We don't have courts like this do we?

Sweden does have Small claims courts, you can also contact Konsumentombudsmannen (The Consumer Ombudsman)

Re: How to get stuff repaired when the manufacturer don't wanna: take 'em to court

#39

> Now an old fashioned light bulb shouldn't be expected to last a decade, but an oven? Funnily enough, there actually was the Phoebus cartel [1] which sought to reduce the lifespan of incandescent light bulbs to around 1,000 hours and raise prices. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel

There was, but also the hotter 1000-hour bulbs are more efficient, and the alternative of 2500 hours still gets you nowhere near a decade of use.

Re: How to get stuff repaired when the manufacturer don't wanna: take 'em to court

#40
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

9 years is a lot to expect it to be under warranty...

Apparently not in Australia.

Well there was no court case.

Considering the cost of sending a lawyer attend the hearing and the potential risk of creating a precedent, it may simpler and cheaper to send an engineer when someone complains too loudly...

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