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OpenAI Selects Oracle Cloud Infrastructure to Extend Microsoft Azure AI Platform

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Re: OpenAI Selects Oracle Cloud Infrastructure to Extend Microsoft Azure AI Platform

#31

Oracle Cloud is a bad product and I wouldn't recommend. I'm guessing Oracle practically gifted OpenAI compute to make this possible and that this announcement is the whole purpose (i.e. "look at us, we're equal to AWS/Azure!!! OpenAI runs here!!!"). Oracle and Google Cloud have been doing this stuff constantly .

I've found Oracle's free tier quite generous. I guess OpenAI does as well.

I'm guessing the free tier available to OAI is not the same free tier available to anyone else.

Re: OpenAI Selects Oracle Cloud Infrastructure to Extend Microsoft Azure AI Platform

#32
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've found Oracle's free tier quite generous. I guess OpenAI does as well.

It's sort of like a crack dealer's free tier. You know it's going to end miserably but you just can't help yourself.

> a crack dealer's free tier

Pretty sure GCP & AWS employ a lot of ex-Oracle people.

Re: OpenAI Selects Oracle Cloud Infrastructure to Extend Microsoft Azure AI Platform

#33
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sort of like a crack dealer's free tier. You know it's going to end miserably but you just can't help yourself.

Not necessarily, use it for testing only (not production) and you will be fine.

I run a little kube cluster on it that serves as the brain for my home lab on it and it’s been cranking along just fine for the better part of half a year. It’s all IaC and ephemeral so if it died tomorrow I could just restart it. Quite generous for $0

Re: OpenAI Selects Oracle Cloud Infrastructure to Extend Microsoft Azure AI Platform

#34

Oracle Cloud is a bad product and I wouldn't recommend. I'm guessing Oracle practically gifted OpenAI compute to make this possible and that this announcement is the whole purpose (i.e. "look at us, we're equal to AWS/Azure!!! OpenAI runs here!!!"). Oracle and Google Cloud have been doing this stuff constantly .

I've found Oracle's free tier quite generous. I guess OpenAI does as well.

I’ve heard of people being cut off without warning on the free tier.

Re: OpenAI Selects Oracle Cloud Infrastructure to Extend Microsoft Azure AI Platform

#35
post #9

Lots of negative comments about Oracle. If they're so bad, how come PMs and higher ups keep choosing them? Is there no resistance voice from engineers? Edit: I'm getting downvoted by engineers. I guess they have to vent somehow... How about take your downvote to the PM who's going to sign a new Oracle contract?

A good sales person on a golf course with a VP can do a lot of damage

s/golf course/[strip club|ski/beach resort|yacht vacay]/ as suits the particular VP

Re: OpenAI Selects Oracle Cloud Infrastructure to Extend Microsoft Azure AI Platform

#36
post #9

Lots of negative comments about Oracle. If they're so bad, how come PMs and higher ups keep choosing them? Is there no resistance voice from engineers? Edit: I'm getting downvoted by engineers. I guess they have to vent somehow... How about take your downvote to the PM who's going to sign a new Oracle contract?

Used to work at Oracle. They keep winning deals because at the C-level it's about: - enterprise-grade features - completeness of vision - long term viability - dependable support - availability of talent And no, normally they don't want to hear from engineers.

Believe somewhere in the analysis of these million-dollar deals, we missed one Harvard classmate doing a solid to another.

Re: OpenAI Selects Oracle Cloud Infrastructure to Extend Microsoft Azure AI Platform

#37
post #9

Lots of negative comments about Oracle. If they're so bad, how come PMs and higher ups keep choosing them? Is there no resistance voice from engineers? Edit: I'm getting downvoted by engineers. I guess they have to vent somehow... How about take your downvote to the PM who's going to sign a new Oracle contract?

Selling into the enterprise is about doing your research on who the key people are, who has the purse strings, what the drivers for that company are, and what your competitors are doing with pricing, bundling, and their pitches.

Very little of this involves talking to code monkeys, unless there's a technical person who is already well-regarded enough that general managers, C*O, and the like, listen to their opinions.

The engineers in the company are usually sufficiently contemptuous of "politics" and "people pleasing" and "bean counters" and "marketing" that they aren't part of those discussions, because they've already made it clear that they hold the people making the calls in contempt. Oracle sales people are more than happy to fill the gap.

Re: OpenAI Selects Oracle Cloud Infrastructure to Extend Microsoft Azure AI Platform

#38
post #9

Lots of negative comments about Oracle. If they're so bad, how come PMs and higher ups keep choosing them? Is there no resistance voice from engineers? Edit: I'm getting downvoted by engineers. I guess they have to vent somehow... How about take your downvote to the PM who's going to sign a new Oracle contract?

Used to work at Oracle. They keep winning deals because at the C-level it's about: - enterprise-grade features - completeness of vision - long term viability - dependable support - availability of talent And no, normally they don't want to hear from engineers.

I was once apart of a team evaluating storage solutions from multiple vendors. We had rows of racks dedicated to each vendor. Between production IT, production engineers, and even the operators doing the daily grind, there was a clear loser and 2 very good/close winners. We ran our stress tests for months to generate all sorts of useful metrics. Then, corporate comes along and makes a massive PR release about the new deal they just signed with the absolute worst vendor.

Eventually, after production came to a grinding halt because the storage solution did not work, there was no follow up PR campaign about the abject failure of that partnership. C-suite people can fuck up the easiest decisions because of perks/kick backs.

Re: OpenAI Selects Oracle Cloud Infrastructure to Extend Microsoft Azure AI Platform

#39
post #9

Lots of negative comments about Oracle. If they're so bad, how come PMs and higher ups keep choosing them? Is there no resistance voice from engineers? Edit: I'm getting downvoted by engineers. I guess they have to vent somehow... How about take your downvote to the PM who's going to sign a new Oracle contract?

Used to work at Oracle. They keep winning deals because at the C-level it's about: - enterprise-grade features - completeness of vision - long term viability - dependable support - availability of talent And no, normally they don't want to hear from engineers.

But OCI falls down on essentially all that stuff vs AWS or even GCP.

OCI is cheap; that's the USP.

Re: OpenAI Selects Oracle Cloud Infrastructure to Extend Microsoft Azure AI Platform

#40

Oracle Cloud is a bad product and I wouldn't recommend. I'm guessing Oracle practically gifted OpenAI compute to make this possible and that this announcement is the whole purpose (i.e. "look at us, we're equal to AWS/Azure!!! OpenAI runs here!!!"). Oracle and Google Cloud have been doing this stuff constantly .

> "look at us, we're equal to AWS/Azure!!! OpenAI runs here!!!"

Possible, as they have lost deals even in countries where they enjoy MFN: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/oracle-ceo-confus... / https://archive.is/zO35B

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