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macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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It's about control. If they would allow virtualization then some people would use that to run software Apple can't control, especially not monetize.

It is no different than Windows Home, Professional, Workstation, Enterprise, Nano, Server,....

No, it is VERY different from Windows Home/Pro. Windows doesn't bar you from running custom code.

Windows Home does not ship Hyper-V, but it allows you to run your own hypervisors just fine.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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At this point, only the EU can save the iPad from being eWaste World Champion. Mandate support for alternate OSes, like Asahi Linux on Macbook, https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Apple-Platform-Secur... > ipadOS not even one layer of Mac virtualization iPadOS 17 on M4 has a "Secure Exclave" OS, https://mastodon.social/@_inside/112440596781136013

What eWaste are you talking about? The lifetime, battery life, and software updates are way longer than those of any other tablet on the market. iPads are not a replacement for Macbooks or PCs; let it be the iPad.

There has not yet been a tablet that was commercially competitive with iPad, measured by sales volume/revenue.

Perhaps a future PC OEM 2-in-1 will be successful, based on Qualcomm Oryon/Arm SoC from ex-Apple Nuvia.

> software updates are way longer

There's no "longer" for comparison, when there is no competitor.

Old iPads could continue to work for years, running Linux. Apple could unlock the boot after terminating support.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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At this point, only the EU can save the iPad from being eWaste World Champion. Mandate support for alternate OSes, like Asahi Linux on Macbook, https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Apple-Platform-Secur... > ipadOS not even one layer of Mac virtualization iPadOS 17 on M4 has a "Secure Exclave" OS, https://mastodon.social/@_inside/112440596781136013

What eWaste are you talking about? The lifetime, battery life, and software updates are way longer than those of any other tablet on the market. iPads are not a replacement for Macbooks or PCs; let it be the iPad.

If they are replacement or not should be decision of person who bought it, not company who sells it.

They can still keep their ecosystem. You should be able to unlock it to install alternative operating system.

Unlocking should be explicit to not give an option for theft.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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At this point, only the EU can save the iPad from being eWaste World Champion. Mandate support for alternate OSes, like Asahi Linux on Macbook, https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Apple-Platform-Secur... > ipadOS not even one layer of Mac virtualization iPadOS 17 on M4 has a "Secure Exclave" OS, https://mastodon.social/@_inside/112440596781136013

Here, https://www.samsung.com/us/apps/dex/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface Vote with your wallet, if enough people do that, maybe Apple will notice. Now if you already validated what they are selling is enough to keep the masses happy, then it is as it is.

The second link (to Surface) is trying to sell a Surface computer (i.e., hardware).

The first link appears to be... presentation software? I think? It talks a lot about Samsung devices but doesn't appear to be selling a specific device (i.e., not hardware. I don't see how the software would affect sales of the iPad (which is hardware).

(Was there a different link you meant to share instead? :) )

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Running an older version of macOS, which supports older versions of Xcode and then using that to run older iOS simulators.

Isn't the simulator not a VM? I thought it was more something like wine.

Correct, the simulators run regular macOS processes that are linked against a different set of userland libraries than usual. No virtualization involved.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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I'm not a super-advanced user, so could somebody please let me know if this will allow running Windows on an ARM based Macs? Or perhaps running a VM with macOS Big Sur on macOS 15 ( I'm looking to install a specific version of an app via App Store - a version that is limited to macOS Big Sur )? Thanks in advance!

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Running an older version of macOS, which supports older versions of Xcode and then using that to run older iOS simulators.

Could I run an older version of macOS that still ran 32bit apps?

macOS Mojave is the last version to support 32-bit applications. It only runs on x86_64, so you'd be emulating it, not virtualising.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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I'm not a super-advanced user, so could somebody please let me know if this will allow running Windows on an ARM based Macs? Or perhaps running a VM with macOS Big Sur on macOS 15 ( I'm looking to install a specific version of an app via App Store - a version that is limited to macOS Big Sur )? Thanks in advance!

You can already run Windows on Macs, just look at UTM or Parallels. You can also already run Big Sur on macOS 14.

Edit: Should've added that you can only run Windows ARM. Emulating x86 on ARM (= running "normal" Windows on macOS M-processors) may be possible (I'm not sure), but practically not usable as it will be painfully slow. That will probably not change in the near future. However Windows ARM contains a Rosetta-like x86 emulation layer so with some luck you won't even notice that you're running Windows ARM and not "normal" Windows.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) their long-standing stance on eWaste (and similar consumer-oriented regulation) is likely to be casualty.

>With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) I'm annoyed by the media coverage which all imply the Right won seats at the expense of the Left when, as you say, it's mostly the Greens (who, yes, are technically Left) who lost seats. What's even more annoying though is I need to take a magnifying glass to even see the additional seats won by the Right. The Left still holds majority and hav…

> the media only serves to try and empower the Right, which I always thought was something the media do not want

Whatever gave you that impression? A significant percentage of all media outlets are owned by very right-leaning businessmen, or otherwise entangled in capitalism to such extent that it may bias their judgement

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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What eWaste are you talking about? The lifetime, battery life, and software updates are way longer than those of any other tablet on the market. iPads are not a replacement for Macbooks or PCs; let it be the iPad.

There has not yet been a tablet that was commercially competitive with iPad, measured by sales volume/revenue. Perhaps a future PC OEM 2-in-1 will be successful, based on Qualcomm Oryon/Arm SoC from ex-Apple Nuvia. > software updates are way longer There's no "longer" for comparison, when there is no competitor. Old iPads could continue to work for years, running Linux. Apple could unlock the boot after terminating s…

And what would you do with an ipad running linux? There's no tablet software.

May sound harsh, but the Open Source movement is just not capable of producing enough software to make Linux a viable on the desktop, let alone on the tablet.

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