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Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

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I extremely excited about the future of Swift and being able to use it in new places like Embedded Swift.

As an iOS developer I’ve been getting into some firmware stuff on ESP-32. It’s my first time writing C++ and while it’s been better than I expected, I really miss Swift and especially the safety it brings.

Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

#33

hope this works out! i really wanna work with swift outside xcode, i want it in vim

Swift had good support in JetBrains AppCode. Maybe it still does, but probably not, because AppCode was sunsetted at the end of 2022 and stopped receiving updates in 2023 ( https://blog.jetbrains.com/appcode/2022/12/appcode-2022-3-re... ). Which is really unfortunate. If Swift ever gets good support outside of Apple, I wouldn’t be surprised if JetBrains starts working on their Swift plugin again and releases it for I…

AppCode was ten times the IDE xcode is, only problem is they couldnt parse Apple’s storyboards and xibs reliably and probably due to some proprietary knowledge required to make that work.

I loved AppCode because I could go into a clients iOS app and the linter would immediately show so many problems that were easily fixable but Xcode would never show. I was sad to see it go.

Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

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hope this works out! i really wanna work with swift outside xcode, i want it in vim

I got to be honest every time I look over to the Swift/iOS development ecosystem I’m shocked at the amount of nonsense they have to deal with. - Xcode is terrible - Documentation is barely existent - you can’t really reuse your code in any other context - you have to pay them money to even release your software - they steal 30% of your revenue - they reserve the right to shut you down at any point, for any reason and…

Most of these points have nothing to do with Swift.

Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

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What does this have to do with swift?

It’s at the core of the ecosystem and has basically zero other well supported use cases or successes to point to.

That is absolutely and resolutely untrue.

Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got to be honest every time I look over to the Swift/iOS development ecosystem I’m shocked at the amount of nonsense they have to deal with. - Xcode is terrible - Documentation is barely existent - you can’t really reuse your code in any other context - you have to pay them money to even release your software - they steal 30% of your revenue - they reserve the right to shut you down at any point, for any reason and…

The tooling(?) (starting with xcode) is quite objectionable and is enough to drive people (me) away. The language choices are well. Interesting. Kotlin fills the need for mainstream Swift better than Swift, and without all the baggage that Apple brings to the table. If you want to see what open source Swift is going to end up like, just look at GNU objective C. It will likely follow the same pattern of adoption over…

There is an official support for Swift in VSCode and articles pending in the website PRs for setting up Swift in eMacs and neovim.

Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

#39

hope this works out! i really wanna work with swift outside xcode, i want it in vim

Swift had good support in JetBrains AppCode. Maybe it still does, but probably not, because AppCode was sunsetted at the end of 2022 and stopped receiving updates in 2023 ( https://blog.jetbrains.com/appcode/2022/12/appcode-2022-3-re... ). Which is really unfortunate. If Swift ever gets good support outside of Apple, I wouldn’t be surprised if JetBrains starts working on their Swift plugin again and releases it for I…

It has good support in VSCode already.

Re: New GitHub Organization for the Swift Project

#40

I really wish this now makes Swift worthwhile outside of the Apple ecosystem. A bit like Go.

Why would that make it more worthwhile? What are the compelling reasons to use Swift instead of Go?

It's a better language.
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