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TotalRecall: Extracts and displays data from the Windows 11 Recall feature

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Re: TotalRecall: Extracts and displays data from the Windows 11 Recall feature

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I understand that this feature is highly controversial and I myself have mixed feelings about it. But I don’t understand what is being “pwned” here: isn’t providing a photographic memory of everything you do on your PC exactly what this is supposed to do? Yes, you can access the data through other means than the official UI - this is the case for every software that runs on my PC.

> isn’t providing a photographic memory of everything you do on your PC exactly what this is supposed to do?

Yes, but look at the Q&A at the bottom: apparently Microsoft told the BBC that hackers would have to have physical access to the device in order to access the data. This repo proves that's nonsense because all an attacker would have to do is install this code on your computer, which is something we already know they could do.

> Yes, you can access the data through other means than the official UI - this is the case for every software that runs on my PC.

I don't have software on my PC that indiscriminately takes screenshots of what I'm working on every few seconds, OCRs it, and indexes it in a convenient searchable database. A hacker can get a ton of information off my computer as it is, but a lot of what Recall will be saving has been hitherto ephemeral.

Re: TotalRecall: Extracts and displays data from the Windows 11 Recall feature

#32
post #14

I understand that this feature is highly controversial and I myself have mixed feelings about it. But I don’t understand what is being “pwned” here: isn’t providing a photographic memory of everything you do on your PC exactly what this is supposed to do? Yes, you can access the data through other means than the official UI - this is the case for every software that runs on my PC.

See the README under "Q: But the BBC said data cannot be accessed remotely by hackers."

Where's the disproof of that? Am I missing something?

"this is wrong" is not a sufficient counterargument.

Re: TotalRecall: Extracts and displays data from the Windows 11 Recall feature

#33
post #14

I understand that this feature is highly controversial and I myself have mixed feelings about it. But I don’t understand what is being “pwned” here: isn’t providing a photographic memory of everything you do on your PC exactly what this is supposed to do? Yes, you can access the data through other means than the official UI - this is the case for every software that runs on my PC.

See the README under "Q: But the BBC said data cannot be accessed remotely by hackers."

Nothing in this FAQ is in any way surprising. If someone (“hackers”) gains remote access to your PC, they can also install a key logger and take screenshots. They just don’t have access to the historic data.

Re: TotalRecall: Extracts and displays data from the Windows 11 Recall feature

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See the README under "Q: But the BBC said data cannot be accessed remotely by hackers."

I am not sure if that justifies this. If hackers pwn your desktop computer and you do not notice it, they get all the data you have access by yourself. Nothing new here.

If MS claims the data is not accessible [by malware] remotely and can only be accessed if the attacker has physical access, a POC just just fopens the file and prints it is a fair exploit POC. No matter how trivial that looks to you.

Re: TotalRecall: Extracts and displays data from the Windows 11 Recall feature

#35
post #14

I understand that this feature is highly controversial and I myself have mixed feelings about it. But I don’t understand what is being “pwned” here: isn’t providing a photographic memory of everything you do on your PC exactly what this is supposed to do? Yes, you can access the data through other means than the official UI - this is the case for every software that runs on my PC.

See the README under "Q: But the BBC said data cannot be accessed remotely by hackers."

"this is wrong. Data can be accessed remotely" is not a super illuminating FAQ item. how can it be accessed remotely?

Re: TotalRecall: Extracts and displays data from the Windows 11 Recall feature

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Security aside, I'm genuinely unsure what problem Recall is even meant to solve. Like most AI products and features announced over the past 18 months, it feels like a bunch of product people got into a meeting where they looked at the capabilities of the latest OpenAI model and then started spitballing feature ideas based not on user needs but on what GPTs can do. "Oh, these models can do OCR... why don't we screensh…

"Summarize what I worked on last week"

Re: TotalRecall: Extracts and displays data from the Windows 11 Recall feature

#37

If an intruder gets into my local account, I'm far more worried about them stealing my cookies or accessing company IP than my browser history. With cookies and browser access, they could get into my emails, family photos, bank accounts, and even read desktop notifications from my phone's SMSs. For developers, the real risk lies in the variety of dependencies our apps have, which could get compromised. So, this isn't…

It's more than just browser history.

What if the screenshot that is safed is taken while you have a password in plain sight?

Companies will use it to check on their employees.

Hackers will get material to extort you. "Interesting porn you watched three weeks ago". No need to caught you in the act. It's enough to get access some time later.

Abusers can control their partners.

Re: TotalRecall: Extracts and displays data from the Windows 11 Recall feature

#38

Security aside, I'm genuinely unsure what problem Recall is even meant to solve. Like most AI products and features announced over the past 18 months, it feels like a bunch of product people got into a meeting where they looked at the capabilities of the latest OpenAI model and then started spitballing feature ideas based not on user needs but on what GPTs can do. "Oh, these models can do OCR... why don't we screensh…

I would like to have full text search of websites I've been to, since I often don't remember enough exact details to re-find something. That doesn't need the AI model or screenshots though.

A retroactive ability to screenshot recent things would also be nice to have.

Re: TotalRecall: Extracts and displays data from the Windows 11 Recall feature

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See the README under "Q: But the BBC said data cannot be accessed remotely by hackers."

"this is wrong. Data can be accessed remotely" is not a super illuminating FAQ item. how can it be accessed remotely?

With any available information stealing malware: https://doublepulsar.com/recall-stealing-everything-youve-ev...

Re: TotalRecall: Extracts and displays data from the Windows 11 Recall feature

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post #18
post #10

Pwned in what way? This is just a SQLite database, you can "pwn" it with any SQLite client of your choice.

Weren't were told it was encrypted and that this sort of access wouldn't be possible?

Encryption is not authentication.
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