These safety and alignment councils are just positions for losers and leeches. They live on the back of programmers without doing any work at all. They have a different background and they want to live at the expenses of others, just to say that they work in AI.
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Platforming them also doesn't seem to be bringing about any change though. Your argument assumes this fantasy that they will have a dialogue. That's just not what happened, they just make their own echo chambers inside the platforms. These platforms are literally optimized for community building. Banning and deplatforming achieves mental peace for people who just want to go to twitch and not be bombarded by literal n…
This works great. Where do you fall on Israel vs Gaza? Does your platform let you speak freely? Is there a chilling effect due to fear of getting banned? I can say the words Tavistock here and guarantee that I will get downvoted just for mentioning it. Shoving it off into a dark corner doesn't make it go away. IT makes people ignorant to the fact that it's going on.
> downvoted just for mentioning it
I haven't seen anyone get downvoted for saying specific words.
But definitely for incoherent, incendiary, trollish comments.
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#33The replaced indepdent advice with people that Amazon can more easily control. That's all this.
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Platforming them also doesn't seem to be bringing about any change though. Your argument assumes this fantasy that they will have a dialogue. That's just not what happened, they just make their own echo chambers inside the platforms. These platforms are literally optimized for community building. Banning and deplatforming achieves mental peace for people who just want to go to twitch and not be bombarded by literal n…
This works great. Where do you fall on Israel vs Gaza? Does your platform let you speak freely? Is there a chilling effect due to fear of getting banned? I can say the words Tavistock here and guarantee that I will get downvoted just for mentioning it. Shoving it off into a dark corner doesn't make it go away. IT makes people ignorant to the fact that it's going on.
I’m ok with shoving some stuff in a dark corner if it makes it harder to accidentally stumble on it when using a platform for generally more wholesome purposes.
The problem with the “where do you draw the line” type arguments is that they suggest because it’s hard to agree on where a line should be drawn, that one shouldn’t be drawn at all. But reality is different. It’s better have some rules and continually review their approaches and boundaries than allow a free-for-all from the worst people and normalising their behaviours because you can’t be bothered to answer those difficult questions.
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Or be harassed. But that doesn’t matter when you’re in the majority, right?
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When you say things like this
> I'll happily listen to you after you supply a copy of 1984 with all the words you dont like removed.
you make it clear you are not entering into a discussion in good faith.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Platforming them also doesn't seem to be bringing about any change though. Your argument assumes this fantasy that they will have a dialogue. That's just not what happened, they just make their own echo chambers inside the platforms. These platforms are literally optimized for community building. Banning and deplatforming achieves mental peace for people who just want to go to twitch and not be bombarded by literal n…
This works great. Where do you fall on Israel vs Gaza? Does your platform let you speak freely? Is there a chilling effect due to fear of getting banned? I can say the words Tavistock here and guarantee that I will get downvoted just for mentioning it. Shoving it off into a dark corner doesn't make it go away. IT makes people ignorant to the fact that it's going on.
I have no idea where all this is coming from, the original post talked about literal nazis. Allowing for exaggeration I can extend that to overt racists and those kind of bad people. Don't move the goal post now by muddying that with more nuanced topics (although, this one shouldn't be, it's clearly a colonizer situation, but again allowing for exaggeration and examples). You have to draw the line somewhere.
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Thanks, this is something that I believe too. You rarely 'solve' an issue by making it hidden. At least in the open, you can see the danger.
This is simply not true. When you tolerate things such as child pornography, doxxing etc it makes the practice appear sanctioned and encourages others to join in. We saw this quite clearly with Reddit and Twitter.
Someone dressing up as a nazi and speaking isnt an actual crime.
Bringing in actual crimes is false equivalence. So yes those things should have consequences. We have jury trials for a reason. Take the content down, send to the police and court. IF it isn't a crime then reinstate the user.
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#39> The outgoing members were paid between $10,000 and $20,000 a year, CNBC says. How can this be a cost saving measure? Thats a pittance for amazon.
Twitch is losing money. Now it's losing less. (I'm not saying it makes sense or will make a dent or anything else, just putting the fact out there - twitch has limited time to figure out how to make things work)
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#40> The outgoing members were paid between $10,000 and $20,000 a year, CNBC says. How can this be a cost saving measure? Thats a pittance for amazon.
Twitch is losing money. Now it's losing less. (I'm not saying it makes sense or will make a dent or anything else, just putting the fact out there - twitch has limited time to figure out how to make things work)
If twitch cared about money, they could easily stop providing storage and bandwidth for all the South American and Russian channels streaming pirated movies and TV 24/7.