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AI products like ChatGPT much hyped but not much used, study says

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Re: AI products like ChatGPT much hyped but not much used, study says

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Post by thiago_fm »

vsnf wrote: post #14
thiago_fm wrote: post #2

No shit Sherlock. Until the end of the year we'll see both NVidia and the hyperscalers that rent their h100s see their revenues already shrinking, there's no way we can have that many companies doing LLMs and being useful.

I have no skin in this game myself, nor do I have any strong opinions one way or the other (though I too have a hard time imagining truly useful LLM-based solutions), but if you're willing to speak with such conviction, I'd like to see your short positions against NVidia et all.

The other user has commented already, I don't want to bet against this craziness, and in a way, I'm certain that NVidia will continue moving up, until it isn't!

Re: AI products like ChatGPT much hyped but not much used, study says

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Post by rsynnott »

vsnf wrote: post #14
thiago_fm wrote: post #2

No shit Sherlock. Until the end of the year we'll see both NVidia and the hyperscalers that rent their h100s see their revenues already shrinking, there's no way we can have that many companies doing LLMs and being useful.

I have no skin in this game myself, nor do I have any strong opinions one way or the other (though I too have a hard time imagining truly useful LLM-based solutions), but if you're willing to speak with such conviction, I'd like to see your short positions against NVidia et all.

This is kind of a silly argument. Let's say, to take an extreme, you _know_ a stock will fall dramatically at some point in the next five years, but you don't know _when_. You know that, until it falls, it'll be pretty volatile, and sometimes jump up. So, when do you short it? You probably do not short it on day one; that's going to be horrendously expensive.

Really, betting against any tremendously hyped stock is a very dangerous exercise. Just ask those who shorted GameStop (which is _clearly_ dramatically overvalued, but is back to happily jumping up 10% in a day just because).

Re: AI products like ChatGPT much hyped but not much used, study says

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Post by o_nate »

big_paps wrote: post #28

If you start digging into new topics lets say shaders or art history or whatever .. its hands down the best tool and teacher i ever had. You can get a broad overview over topics and repeat asking „stupid“ questions which are either hard to find on the net or you would not dare to ask anyone. I think these downplaying comments are kind of embarrassing for this kind of achievement in technology.

I'm curious about these "stupid" questions that are hard to find answers to on the net but an LLM can answer. Could you give an example?

Re: AI products like ChatGPT much hyped but not much used, study says

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Post by kjkjadksj »

o_nate wrote: post #33
big_paps wrote: post #28

If you start digging into new topics lets say shaders or art history or whatever .. its hands down the best tool and teacher i ever had. You can get a broad overview over topics and repeat asking „stupid“ questions which are either hard to find on the net or you would not dare to ask anyone. I think these downplaying comments are kind of embarrassing for this kind of achievement in technology.

I'm curious about these "stupid" questions that are hard to find answers to on the net but an LLM can answer. Could you give an example?

Curious how you can even tell the llm result is correct when you are apparently unable to validate it with other methods

Re: AI products like ChatGPT much hyped but not much used, study says

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Post by kjkjadksj »

budududuroiu wrote: post #30
wildrhythms wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. I think there's value in being able to tell the LLM to give me the result in JSON format, for example. But the hallucinatory nature of LLMs poisons everything.

Yeah, I think I’m still not fully trusting in that pipeline because running it twice could give me different results, even if they’re structured.

Wish you could supply the random seed yourself to at least make it a little more deterministic

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Post by kjkjadksj »

labrador wrote: post #20
hattmall wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's interesting and somewhat amusing. But is it accurate or in any way beneficially worthy of billion dollar valuations??

If it's a new thinking tool that helps people solve problems better and quicker then it could be worth many billions and more

If that were some law of the universe wikipedia wouldn’t be begging for money regularly

Re: AI products like ChatGPT much hyped but not much used, study says

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Post by labrador »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #36
labrador wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's a new thinking tool that helps people solve problems better and quicker then it could be worth many billions and more

If that were some law of the universe wikipedia wouldn’t be begging for money regularly

Who said anything about a law of the Universe. The spreadsheet was the right tool at the right time so it took off. It didn't have to. People had calculators. But it so easy and useful. AI is the right tool for our time.

Re: AI products like ChatGPT much hyped but not much used, study says

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Post by big_paps »

o_nate wrote: post #33
big_paps wrote: post #28

If you start digging into new topics lets say shaders or art history or whatever .. its hands down the best tool and teacher i ever had. You can get a broad overview over topics and repeat asking „stupid“ questions which are either hard to find on the net or you would not dare to ask anyone. I think these downplaying comments are kind of embarrassing for this kind of achievement in technology.

I'm curious about these "stupid" questions that are hard to find answers to on the net but an LLM can answer. Could you give an example?

For me the most significant help it gave was when learning shaders. Of course there is a large amount of tutorials but i am the type of person who has a hard time learning in a linear way if there a unclear points open (which perhaps are solved some chapters later). This type of conquering much ground by asking many questions is perfect for me and it was the first time i did not immediately gave up on shaders after two hours or so.

Re: AI products like ChatGPT much hyped but not much used, study says

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Post by big_paps »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #34
o_nate wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious about these "stupid" questions that are hard to find answers to on the net but an LLM can answer. Could you give an example?

Curious how you can even tell the llm result is correct when you are apparently unable to validate it with other methods

I am not unable to validate. Its just hard to get answers to specific questions. Once you have the answer and the corresponding vocabulary its not hard to find by web search.
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