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Isn't Kagi dependant on Google for their results? Doesn't seem tenable in the long-term to me.
Are you thinking of ddg? Afaik kagi runs their own independent engine from scratch.
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Isn't Kagi dependant on Google for their results? Doesn't seem tenable in the long-term to me.
Are you thinking of ddg? Afaik kagi runs their own independent engine from scratch.
You can use bangs to search on Google, but that's not the default.
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#33I was afraid of this. Now, it's a matter of time before Google search will get even worse as SEO hustlers push more of their useless crap to the top now that internal algorithm data has been published. Guess I should look into that Kagi thing people keep mentioning.
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Isn't Kagi dependant on Google for their results? Doesn't seem tenable in the long-term to me.
Are you thinking of ddg? Afaik kagi runs their own independent engine from scratch.
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#36In not too many years, the average user will be prompting to get their needs met, rather than searching a flawed search system, wading through pages of sponsored and SEO-gamified links, opening up multiple tabs to try to dig out the details from sites hustling whatever they hustle, and then trying to read to get their needs met. Google sees the writing on the wall, which is going towards a prompt-based direct ask sys…
At the end of this enshittification, users will be looking for other options. Imagine a salesman that is ignoring the elephant in the room to tell you that if you bought this brand of shoes, you would run faster instead of giving tips on the skills to learn to be a better runner.
Search is a great way to find high-quality references and non-hallucinated answers by tweaking the keywords slightly. A salesman-like LLM might be pushing products when you just need information. ChatGPT's authority is going to dwindle, and search is a good tool to find authoritative sources
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But would be difficult to build a lot of websites which all meet the threshold for specific keywords. The thresholds don't have to be particularly low. In fact it's better if they require a certain amount of work to meet. So maybe only a relatively small number of websites would qualify for a specific niche keyword but the idea is that, among those, they are ranked randomly. You'd probably have to use AI to figure ou…
Do you remember those autogenerated websites that were just giant lists of all words? Those disappeared many years ago, but if you made search ranking random, they'd come right back.
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#38Any good summaries about what was revealed in the leak?
The main takeaway for me is that Google is caught lying. Many things were already assumed but Google used to deny them. - They claimed that clicks were not a ranking factor, it turns out it is. - Also turns out that they are using Chrome data for ranking purposes (Not good for the ongoing lawsuit) - There is also a field called something like "is small personal site" and it presumed that those sites are penalized. Yo…
Re: Google confirms the leaked Search documents are real
#39I was afraid of this. Now, it's a matter of time before Google search will get even worse as SEO hustlers push more of their useless crap to the top now that internal algorithm data has been published. Guess I should look into that Kagi thing people keep mentioning.
What could be worse than recipe pages that are 20 pages worth of text with the recipe hiding somewhere among the text?
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What could be worse than recipe pages that are 20 pages worth of text with the recipe hiding somewhere among the text?
They could split it in multiple pages instead of a single page! Imagine having to click “next part” >10 times just to see if you eventually end up with a section that contains the actual recipe