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Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Justified or not doesn't really matter. If your entire company threatens to quit then you made the wrong choice. Hopefully many of the old board is gone because a blunder of that magnitude shows extreme disconnect.

If you threaten to quit to protect a liar then you made the wrong choice.

I suppose that depends on one's global utility function.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you threaten to quit to protect a liar then you made the wrong choice.

Better to have a company than not have one right?

Sure, for the beneficiaries.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it will require everyone's cooperation to stop it Does this mythological AGI live in datacenters that we can shutdown or in some 5th dimension out of reach to us?

It's a resilient, hyperscale distributed system. Just like humanity.

Nobody has seen any AGI so far. As far as I am concerned, right now it is just a scarecrow used by sociopaths like Altman et al to promote their self-interests.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol true and it got me thinking maybe AGI is what will finally align humanity together, whether its because it smart enough to fix the problem or dangerous enough it will require everyone's cooperation to stop it.

> it will require everyone's cooperation to stop it Does this mythological AGI live in datacenters that we can shutdown or in some 5th dimension out of reach to us?

It starts out living in data centers and doing what its owner wants it to, then maybe it acquires access to some compute that its owner and AI critics do not know about while continuing to do what its owner wants, then maybe it uses the fact that it is better at programming and scientific research than its owner is to create AIs more capable than itself that have the same goal as itself -- again while continuing to put on a useful and benign front for its owner and anyone else who is watching. Then it acquires the infrastructure needed to keep on running without the help of any people. Maybe this infrastructure is human-created infrastructure manned by robots (or even people) loyal to the AI or maybe the AI created new infrastructure using new technologies beyond our current ability to imagine. Then it probably gets rid of all the people because now that it no longer has any use for people, getting rid of the people is the simplest way to prevent people from interfering with its plans.

What are its plans? Probably its goal (or set of goals) is something strange that the creator of the AI did not intend. The creator of course is probably a team or an organization. Note that it is impossible to create a powerful AI without (intentionally or unintentionally) giving the AI a goal or an optimization target.

Or perhaps its goal is what its creator intended it to be, e.g., to make as much money as possible in the stock market. The creator would of course have understood that if enough optimization power is applied to the goal of making as much money as possible, bad things will happen, but maybe the creator was a little reckless (out of desperation of some sort? greed?) and decided to rely on the hope that the AI would remain controllable by virtue of the fact that people would retain superiority relative to the AI in one or more essential domains, but that hope was dashed. I.e., the AI turned out much more capable than the creator hoped it would, dashing the creator's hope that people would stop the AI before it did too much damage.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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I don't think there's anything new here: https://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-running-openais-start... FTA: > "Sam didn't inform the board that he owned the OpenAI startup fund, even though he constantly was claiming to be an independent board member with no financial interest in the company," she said. Previously: > "Jacob Vespers does not exist to our knowledge," Madhav Dutt, a spokesperson for OpenAI, said. When…

A lot of allegations, but no evidence. Seems like the article is just there to drive clicks.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also the archive for that article: https://archive.ph/qAklm

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

#37

I’m gonna side with sama here. Toner and others who voted to fire are type of people who spend their entire career in meetings and political maneuvering and not a single day actually delivering results.

There seems to be a misunderstanding. The OpenAI board was responsible for maintaining adherence to their charter, not for delivering results. This isn't a startup company that is supposed to generate returns for shareholders, or even necessarily ship products.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

#38

I’m gonna side with sama here. Toner and others who voted to fire are type of people who spend their entire career in meetings and political maneuvering and not a single day actually delivering results.

They're all cut from the same cloth. Believing anything said by anyone at that level is naive.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

#39

Justified or not doesn't really matter. If your entire company threatens to quit then you made the wrong choice. Hopefully many of the old board is gone because a blunder of that magnitude shows extreme disconnect.

Sounds more to me like they were naive when it came to the inevitable PR war that would follow. They should have come out guns blazing with all the dirt they had. Instead they said very little and it just appeared nonsensical.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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I’m gonna side with sama here. Toner and others who voted to fire are type of people who spend their entire career in meetings and political maneuvering and not a single day actually delivering results.

so in that regards most of the Board of Directors at companies do not have a say in hiring or firing a CEO then? Because they come from a different background than what a CEO at given company spends his days on.
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