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Is College Worth It?

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Re: Is College Worth It?

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College is notoriously survivor biased, and the metrics that nearly all studies use to justify whatever they happen to be selling that day is horseshit. There are a lot of malevolent parasites that make their way into forever jobs like these. What I would personally like to see is a study of class section pass-rates that properly segment first-attempt students from re-attempt students in the metrics. The Administrati…

I majored in Statistics and Probability. By the mid 1980s, departments were starting to look at the distribution of grades. This lead to teachers giving really difficult tests and then having a large 'curve'. The problem with matching a grade distribution to the Normal Curve, is that by definition the Normal Curve is the absolute wrong goal for grades distribution. A normal distribution requires multiple inputs where none is deterministic. That is the opposite of how a class with a standardized curriculum should fall. Yes there should be variation but the use of the Normal Curve with needlessly difficult tests has caused many departments to be proud of their burn rate with incoming freshmen. In engineering then they routinely pushed out nearly half the freshmen, and had the burn continue into second year. The issue is these engineering students were also part of several 'colleges' who at the time had different policies about grades. One college didn't allow any redos, if you took a class a second time you'd get the two grades. Where another college would allow retaking the class and erasing the old grade. That school eventually merged the colleges and standardized the grading policies but I'm not sure they have any kind of redress to the engineering throwaways. These departments who have high facilities and equipment costs are what I saw pulled that the most often, they used those students whom they were actively harming more than half to subsidize their academic department. Advice I got when I was in the search for college, "Go to the best school you can get the best grades in".

Re: Is College Worth It?

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College can be immensely valuable for those pursuing fields that require formal credentials and rigorous training. However, with the raise of blended/bootcamp education and significant financial burden of traditional degrees, it's critical to weigh the costs against the potential benefits. The traditional 5-6 years of studying one core subject makes me a bit worried these days due to the speed of change in the curren…

Are bootcamps still having success getting people employed in tech?

As recently as 10 months ago, my brother did a boot camp with no prior experience and landed a job as a junior dev with a ~$100k package. His class had a placement rate of maybe 2 in 3.

Seems like the job market has only gotten worse since then however.

Re: Is College Worth It?

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Are bootcamps still having success getting people employed in tech?

As recently as 10 months ago, my brother did a boot camp with no prior experience and landed a job as a junior dev with a ~$100k package. His class had a placement rate of maybe 2 in 3. Seems like the job market has only gotten worse since then however.

which bootcamp was this?

Re: Is College Worth It?

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post #25

College is notoriously survivor biased, and the metrics that nearly all studies use to justify whatever they happen to be selling that day is horseshit. There are a lot of malevolent parasites that make their way into forever jobs like these. What I would personally like to see is a study of class section pass-rates that properly segment first-attempt students from re-attempt students in the metrics. The Administrati…

I majored in Statistics and Probability. By the mid 1980s, departments were starting to look at the distribution of grades. This lead to teachers giving really difficult tests and then having a large 'curve'. The problem with matching a grade distribution to the Normal Curve, is that by definition the Normal Curve is the absolute wrong goal for grades distribution. A normal distribution requires multiple inputs where…

Unfortunately, the best school doesn't advertise, and like the elusive unicorn doesn't seem to exist because the incentives only seem to promote perverse incentives.

Bad options have crowded out good options, eventually like any lawn that has plastic sheeting blacking it out, the organisms underneath die leaving barren soil.

That may just be my personal geography I did try every college in my area in a 200 mile radius aside from the private ones which I couldn't afford, and the ones that wouldn't let me in, so this wasn't a lack of trying.

That burn rate continues churning forever on the blood of past students that were told lies with no other choice, and the tests are scheduled just after the full refund deadline.

I'd taken physics 9 times by the time I gave up on Aerospace Engineering. They used to do a lab contest among the colleges (same college district) in my area for physics and I directing my group repeatedly won.

Kind of farcical when your students flunk the course repeatedly but are the only ones in the contest to complete a proper egg drop with limited material selection from 6 stories where the egg survives without a crack.

I'm 90% sure they stopped the contest because it looked bad.

Re: Is College Worth It?

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College grads still make on average roughly 2x what high school grads make, so yes, so college is worth it in an economic sense. Yes, some majors are more lucrative than others, yes you can screw up anything, but in aggregate and on average, it will ~double your income. But economics/capitalism is only one lens through which to look at this. College is NOT vocational training. You don't go to college to become more u…

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Re: Is College Worth It?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As recently as 10 months ago, my brother did a boot camp with no prior experience and landed a job as a junior dev with a ~$100k package. His class had a placement rate of maybe 2 in 3. Seems like the job market has only gotten worse since then however.

which bootcamp was this?

He ended up choosing Tech Elevator based on placement rate, online reviews, and location.

Re: Is College Worth It?

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which bootcamp was this?

He ended up choosing Tech Elevator based on placement rate, online reviews, and location.

Thanks. There are so many out there that I have no idea of what to recommend to friends that ask.

Re: Is College Worth It?

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He ended up choosing Tech Elevator based on placement rate, online reviews, and location.

Thanks. There are so many out there that I have no idea of what to recommend to friends that ask.

I didn’t go through it myself, but for him placement rate was the #1 thing he made his decision on. TE was about 75% coding and 25% interview skills from what I was told. He liked it and was successful.

It really does sound like now is a historically bad time to try breaking into coding, sadly.

Re: Is College Worth It?

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Thanks. There are so many out there that I have no idea of what to recommend to friends that ask.

I didn’t go through it myself, but for him placement rate was the #1 thing he made his decision on. TE was about 75% coding and 25% interview skills from what I was told. He liked it and was successful. It really does sound like now is a historically bad time to try breaking into coding, sadly.

He managed to get placed tho. Now's a bad time, given the layoffs putting very senior folk on the market at competitive rates but unfortunately, I don't know of other careers paths with that same kind of opportunity that can also be done remotely. Healthcare is usually onsite. If there's something solid that's not coding that it's a good time to break into for, I'm all ears!
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