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Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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this is news? social media and promotion algorithms have always been attention roulette for ad dollars, and nothing in that ecosystem has a knowledge of "meaning", just engagement through statistics.

Note that the post is about 'creating content'. Of course what they want is 'engagement'. If you actually have something to say about a subject you care about, the term is not 'creating content'.

not from your perspective. but from the viewpoint of the platform, it is just more content

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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Good timing... I'm building an alternative to Twitter and nearing our launch date. It's focused on devs and HN readers, even having an integration with HN.

Curious, what do you think can be done better? Maybe Twitter's whole approach is just not interesting anymore.

Commercial social network will always have this problem. It's impossible to avoid. User's interests are always pitted against advertiser and commercial interests.

The closest strategy we have to something that is long-term viable is:

- non-commercial, so developers focus on building a product for users, rather than advertisers

- decentralised, to provide an escape mechanism for product direction/moderation/etc going poorly

But even then, the only winning move is not to play

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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Don't use the algorithm. Press the "following" tab.

The author is also looking to get readership, so the correct, but basically impossible, advice is: Make sure that the vast majority of your potential readership are actively avoiding the default experience being heavily promoted by the platform.

One could also say that his complaint is that he used to be a bigger fish relative to the pond, but now that there are more users on the platform he is getting more competition.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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> This no longer works since you no longer see tweets from the people you follow unless they go viral.

I agree that this makes the site not worth using as is. So I use a browser extension that removes almost everything except tweets from people I follow, including ads. With that in place I find it to be a service with a high signal to noise ratio.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that the post is about 'creating content'. Of course what they want is 'engagement'. If you actually have something to say about a subject you care about, the term is not 'creating content'.

not from your perspective. but from the viewpoint of the platform, it is just more content

> from the viewpoint of the platform

The post wasn’t written by a (person who works for a) platform, it was written by a user of it.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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I don't get why people keep using the default recommendations? The whole point of twitter was that you manually pick who to follow and see just that. And you still can do that, use the Following tab and it'll work just the same as the day 1. For extra points you can create lists so that you can group people and fine-tune your timeline...

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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this is news? social media and promotion algorithms have always been attention roulette for ad dollars, and nothing in that ecosystem has a knowledge of "meaning", just engagement through statistics.

Pre-Elon algorithmic timeline was certainly not perfect but it mostly did the job, and I'd discover accounts sharing content relevant to my interests, the need to mute or block was fairly minimal.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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> Attention on Twitter no longer has any ripple effects beyond the platform out of the internet, back into many many sub-nets all isolated and in many cases fighting each other > Attention on Twitter no longer has any ripple effects beyond the platform because you're now expected to pay for that, pay google, pay face book, the more of them you pay the higher your reach. money has reasserted itself as social control o…

This has a neat side effect though - people who pay for attention usually have nothing interesting to say, so it becomes a good filter of what to ignore.
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