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Sounds like OP is a casino and plays domain games to avoid regulatory interest. Recommend reading article carefully before reacting to the headline. Hopefully Cloudflare provides a perspective.
Well HN is the unofficially official Cloudflare Support forum. I think we will hear from them soon. From past experience normally their response time for anything Cloudflare on HN is within 2-3 hours.
The recommendations to, basically, not keep all your eggs in one basket and have backups of config are surely good ideas. But if you have to plan on dropping cloudflare in some arbitrary 24 hour window, perhaps it’s CF that’s the problem. This sort of stuff and other recent articles about CF are so worrying that it’s now being run by the finance team (hence why every email they got in this article was from sales team…
Actually had a sales call with Cloudflare in the last month and I got some bad vibes from the whole experience. We did not end up going with them.
> This could arguably be seen as a violation of the Cloudflare TOS, as they wrote above.
And the very next paragraph begins with:
> In any case, we receive >95% of our traffic through the main domain that’s been unchanged since our founding, and were happy to resolve this issue in whatever way...
And then they complain about paying up?
The only issue I see here is around the aggressiveness on the CF side. But, I was not in those meetings and the way above reads tells me that I might have been slightly mad so perhaps the CF was just taking it out on them?
Anyway. I don't think this is a CF foul.
Sounds like OP is a casino and plays domain games to avoid regulatory interest. Recommend reading article carefully before reacting to the headline. Hopefully Cloudflare provides a perspective.
But for $10k a month cloudflare is ok with that? Either it's acceptable or it's not, there is no way that this looks good for cloudflare either way.
Risk can be mitigated, especially if you take care to know what the risk is, but risk mitigation and the salaries of the risk mitigation teams are not free.
The answer of "no, we will not host you unless you pay us enough money to hire people to make sure we're not breaking laws by hosting you" makes plenty of sense, and an online casino that is likely dubiously legal in many countries is definitely a place where you might use that answer.
I'd also expect there are cases where Cloudflare enter into enterprise agreements with customers, get a good hard look at exactly what's happening, and then tear up the agreement and walk away.
Sounds like OP is a casino and plays domain games to avoid regulatory interest. Recommend reading article carefully before reacting to the headline. Hopefully Cloudflare provides a perspective.
How does paying $10k a month solve that?
Edit: "How do you know?" -- I don't know it's actually what happened, but when switching to enterprise, you don't go from 10% margin to 98% margin. The added costs actually represent added budget for the provider to deal with your "special case". ALL enterprise pricing tiers are disguised consulting contracts.
Is this why cloudflare manages to be cheap?
[1] Cloudflare decrypts your traffic, reads it, and then forwards it. They see all encrypted data going to and from your website, in plaintext.
Attorneys love it when people put everything in writing like this.
Better yet, configure CloudFlare through terraform, so all your config exists in your own repo all the time. It also helps day to day since it's not that hard to accidentally flip some switch in the dashboard.
But yeah, do research alternatives. CF has too much power already and will either ignore issues, destroy you, or pay lawyers to protect people trying to get you murdered, depending on their mood. There are better options.
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But for $10k a month cloudflare is ok with that? Either it's acceptable or it's not, there is no way that this looks good for cloudflare either way.
The point is more that the author is an unreliable narrator and you need to apply a little salt to the rest of the story. Cloudflare absolutely shouldn't be taking bribes to permit regulatory evasion. But if they are, I want more evidence than a substack post.
>Note that 80TB is the number they tried to sell us, I don’t know if it is accurate since they removed all our access to historical analytics.
I mean you dont need accurate Data but surely most would know by heart their traffic in rough figures? Or am I the old dog where every new Web Dev are so used to Cloud and Serverless they have no idea what they are using?
Sounds like OP is a casino and plays domain games to avoid regulatory interest. Recommend reading article carefully before reacting to the headline. Hopefully Cloudflare provides a perspective.
I mean, sure, they’re probably doing some sketchy regulatory dodging or whatever. Which part of this can Cloudflare solve by having them pay $120k/year to them?