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#31
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Credit cards are big in the US, maybe, but in the rest of the world not everyone has them.

For the purposes of most online payments a standard debit card can be used interchangeably with a credit card.

"Standard" debit cards aren't really standard outside the US either. Maestro (chip + PIN) doesn't work online, for example.

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#32
post #27
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Wallet is actually fairly useless. To load it up you need a credit card. If you have a credit card, you could just as well, uhm, use a credit card.

I think your parent was being sarcastic. We need a sarcasm tag in HTML.

I thought that was what the blink tag was for...

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#33

Too late, I think. Facebook has scared off a lot of the "moms" out there by their bad bad bad privacy history. Do you really want to pay for things using their service?

Your average suburban mom out there know nothing of Facebook's tussles with user privacy.

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#34
post #10

Why not, it worked out so well for Google with their deep search history, world-beating teams of big data specialists, deep pockets and massive Gmail/Gapps userbase... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-21/google-said-to-reth...

Well, Google is also struggling with Social. It doesn't mean that if Google checkout failed no one else can do anything good.

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#35
The second biggest social network in The Netherlands (Hyves) introduced something like this in 2010. They mainly intended it to be used to pay back (small) debts to friends or relatives, but also made partnerships that enabled you to order food online or order drinks at a bar.

As far as I know, it did not really lift off, but this could be because Facebook overtook Hyves as the most popular social network shortly afterwards.

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#36
post #10

Why not, it worked out so well for Google with their deep search history, world-beating teams of big data specialists, deep pockets and massive Gmail/Gapps userbase... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-21/google-said-to-reth...

Yeah but let's be honest. Google's track record is littered with failures that seem more around focus and execution than opportunity.

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#37
It's a possible but hardly compelling:

Facebook: ~ 1 billion customers

Visa: ~2 billion cards out there.

Facebook: ? merchants.

Visa: > 10 million merchants.

Facebook: potentially disruptive to the existing market

Visa: 50+ years experience with electronics payments processing, fraud detection, government relations and consumer credit marketing

Facebooks main competitive advantage is(was?) relatively cheap capital.

http://corporate.visa.com/_media/visa-fact-sheet.pdf

Edit: Corrected years, added reference

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#39
I think that "be a payment provider" is a much easier thing to think than it is to do.

While it may be easy to build the customer side of the equation you've got to build a vast network of merchants willing to accept payment and that's hard work. Especially if you're trying to convince them to re-price in Facebook Credits?

Sure, you could charge 1% but people have added credits to their Facebook account at some point and it probably cost you more than 1% to allow them to do that. How do people buy credits right now? All those cost Facebook more than 1%, right? I buy $100 of credits, it costs F8 a couple of bucks, I then spend $100 of credits and they recoup $1 of it in merchant fees? Doesn't sound like a good business model.

Beyond the need to create a financial model that makes sense and then go out to find merchants and convince them there's a massive risk of merchant fraud.

Fraudulent merchant X signs up for a F8 Merchant Account. Fraudulent customers A, B, C buy something with stolen credit cards for $100 each. Everyone disappears after merchant X receives settlement. F8 is out of pocket to the tune of the original $300, another $300 in reversals to their bank and then $30-$60 of chargeback fees. If that happens enough then F8 might even have its merchant account revoked... though they're probably big enough to avoid that.

It's an excellent money laundering channel too and there's a lot of financial regulation to navigate around that.

I know that this stuff can be overcome but it is hard to do and would be a major piece of work. This type of thing nearly sank PayPal back in the day.

Perhaps I'm missing the point here though?

Re: Seriously? Ads?

#40
post #12

I've been on FB since the beginning. And I've never clicked on an ad. What makes you think I will to actually buy something? I barely trust Paypal, you think I'm gonna trust FB with my CC details. You gotta be kidding. There are a few steps FB must do before I'll trust them with anything other than bs about what games I'm playing now: 1. Convince me they take my security and privacy seriously. 2. Convince me they are…

You might not trust FB with your CC info but elderly/non tech savy people will. Remember, there is less of us and more of them. Point is to capture a bigger market, which clearly trusts FB with their most intimate details then why not CC?
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