Color me skeptical - sounds like more anti-administration FUD from the WSJ (or because it gets clicks). It seems to me that the malaise is more irrational than backed by any actual macroeconomic circumstance.
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#32General question -- what should the career-oriented student who is not obsessed with CS and programming consider studying instead of or in addition to CS?
It has to be finance. Finance + CS or Finance + Math just opens up both Wall St and Tech as well as consulting to the individual. But otherwise, trades. It is a serious path to money and ultimately starting your own business.
After 4 years as an apprentice digging ditches by hand, if you got lucky enough to find a company that would hire someone fresh out of school (because none of them hire fresh off the street without some kind of related experience).
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#33Color me skeptical - sounds like more anti-administration FUD from the WSJ (or because it gets clicks). It seems to me that the malaise is more irrational than backed by any actual macroeconomic circumstance.
weird how talking about malaise is simply FUD when a certain party is in office "well according to economic analysis you're not suffering you're doing really well! don't believe your lying eyes"
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#34Has the bubble popped?
Yes it popped with the first big wave of post-covid layoffs but somehow word hasnt gotten out to the general public. When the most common career advice was to find a new job every 6 months and ask for 20% more money and companies were hiring anybody with a pulse a few years ago I dont know how people did not see that bubble. It was so painfully obvious.
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#35Color me skeptical - sounds like more anti-administration FUD from the WSJ (or because it gets clicks). It seems to me that the malaise is more irrational than backed by any actual macroeconomic circumstance.
weird how talking about malaise is simply FUD when a certain party is in office "well according to economic analysis you're not suffering you're doing really well! don't believe your lying eyes"
> weird how talking about malaise is simply FUD when a certain party is in office "well
That's correct, if you're seeing otherwise your eyes are literally lying or you're a realtor.
It's irrational malaise, not rational malaise.
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#36General question -- what should the career-oriented student who is not obsessed with CS and programming consider studying instead of or in addition to CS?
Healthcare; as long as there's people there's going to be sickness and injuries. It can be a tough work environment, but it's as recession-proof an industry as your likely to find and you can ply your skills anywhere. Healthcare tech platforms also "benefit" from incredible vendor/consumer lock-in relationships. Once a major hospital settles on a healthcare platform it's going to take a minor apocalypse before they move.
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#37General question -- what should the career-oriented student who is not obsessed with CS and programming consider studying instead of or in addition to CS?
Healthcare; as long as there's people there's going to be sickness and injuries. It can be a tough work environment, but it's as recession-proof an industry as your likely to find and you can ply your skills anywhere. Healthcare tech platforms also "benefit" from incredible vendor/consumer lock-in relationships. Once a major hospital settles on a healthcare platform it's going to take a minor apocalypse before they m…
It's also the industry that has the most hires in the past few months, and most job openings in the upcoming decade.
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#38What accounts for the ups and downs in the bachelor degrees by year chart?
1985-1993: these two articles can explain it better than I can
https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/CSCapacity/CSCapacit... https://cseducators.stackexchange.com/questions/2942/why-did...
2003-2010: dot-com bust and poor economic growth followed by Great Recession. Even though the dot-com crash happened in 1999-2001, the students who were in CS would pass out a few years later into an economy scarred by both the dot-com bust and 911. And then the Great Recession followed, of course.
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What kinds of careers are out there for Math grads?
Any kind you want. Being smart matters 100000x more than your major.
There is probably something to this.
Though n = 1, I have a CS degree and am not particularly smart, and... that explains a lot about my life and career trajectory post-grad.
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General answer: anything that you're interested in. You are in the middle of a large body of water. Swim towards any island that looks close. Make sure you get to an island before choosing a different one to swim to. You'll find that becoming a stronger swimmer was the main benefit of the journey. Personally, after 10 years in the industry, I'm convinced that psychology is going to be extremely important in the comin…
Yeah, agreed. I've got a load of what Americans would call "liberal arts" under my belt and do tech for non-profits. If you like cars, study automotive design and go work there. Ditto anything really. Domain knowledge is a real differentiator.
The CS+X model that CMU, Stanford and UIUC pioneered is the best middle ground imo.
You need both technical AND "liberal arts" skills as interdisciplinary study is a fundamental part of CS (and a major reason the field even became a thing - look at the work Turing, Simons, etc did).
Tbf I did a double major in CS and Government years ago so I have my biases.