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Microsoft's Emissions Spike 29% as AI Gobbles Up Resources

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Re: Microsoft's Emissions Spike 29% as AI Gobbles Up Resources

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I'm sure the C-suites will use the AI to come up with reasons why this is OK..

The C-suite has already given interviews about how it's a bad thing they're working on.

(Specifically the "President of Microsoft", which is a super fake sounding title.)

Re: Microsoft's Emissions Spike 29% as AI Gobbles Up Resources

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would be interesting if one of the major benefits of AI is it pushing us to clean energy

Amazon already have a datacenter with an attached nuclear power plant, and Microsoft have contracted with Helion for future delivery of a fusion power plant (assuming it materializes). https://www.ans.org/news/article-5842/amazon-buys-nuclearpow... Zuckerberg says part of the problem is not just the amount of power needed for a SOTA AI-training datacenter (~1GW), but the fact that you need the power at that particula…

Where are you getting your information?

There are many solar plants in US well in excess of 58MW.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_Mountain_Solar_Facility is one, at 800MW.

It was at 58MW in 2010... which might confuse a LLM, though.

Re: Microsoft's Emissions Spike 29% as AI Gobbles Up Resources

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would be interesting if one of the major benefits of AI is it pushing us to clean energy

Clean energy until waste is hidden under the carpet for thousands of years.

Even regular landfills are very much not a problem. Nuclear waste is much less of a problem than that.

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A good moment to bring up Jevon's Paradox ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox ) "In economics, the Jevons paradox occurs when technological progress increases the efficiency with which a resource is used (reducing the amount necessary for any one use), but the falling cost of use induces increases in demand enough that resource use is increased, rather than reduced. Governments typically assume that effici…

AI isn't the most efficient way to retrieve accurate information or to generate quality content, it's the most efficient way to retrieve plausible information and generate poor quality art and code. And that's really interesting. There is a group of people that trust LLMs for all searches but most tech-literate people know they hallucinate, and understand roughly how an LLM works and that hallucinations are indisting…

I see people frame generative AI this way a lot, as if they're strictly worse than alternatives in all dimensions (inaccurate, low quality). But I think there's several important dimension where they're strictly better, including flexibility, interactivity, and accessibility. I can ask an LLM a very specific question about my specific development environment, codebase, and tools and get a specific answer back that works. If it doesn't work, I can chat with the LLM about what happened to make changes. I don't even reach for LLMs that often compared to most engineers these days (maybe a couple times a month), but when I do, it's basically always the fastest and best way to deal with my particular situation.

Re: Microsoft's Emissions Spike 29% as AI Gobbles Up Resources

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It is praiseworthy Microsoft straightforwardly reported the increase. I haven't paid attention to these kinds of optional disclosures. Never thought about it but were I asked I would have said these are advertisements. I don't dislike sustainability, but I thought those function as advertisements because you can expect to get more sustainability "for free" over time, because of many things (Moore's Law, ephemeralizat…

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Can you think of any ulterior motives behind the oligarch's actions? Such as how global warming is causing increasing insurance rates worldwide as both severe and more mundane weather events cause more and more property damage to their extensive property portfolios?

Re: Microsoft's Emissions Spike 29% as AI Gobbles Up Resources

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would be interesting if one of the major benefits of AI is it pushing us to clean energy

Clean energy until waste is hidden under the carpet for thousands of years.

Is inside an abandoned salt mine really the same as "under the carpet"? I don't see what scenario people have in mind when they're worried about nuclear waste storage.

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The energy consumption would not be a problem if it was renewable energy . Ironically, we already have plenty of renewable energy in the US, it’s just there, sitting, waiting to be hooked up to the grid and not being used productively. The US currently has 947 GW of renewable generation capacity that is not hooked up to the grid [1]. To put that number into perspective, the US currently has 1160 GW of generation capa…

> At the end of 2022, there were at least 947 GW of utility-scale solar power capacity within the interconnection queues across the nation, 456 GW of which include batteries.

Seems more likely to me that the utilities are expecting a large growth in consumption in the coming years and built out capacity ahead of time. Seems reasonable.

Re: Microsoft's Emissions Spike 29% as AI Gobbles Up Resources

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It is praiseworthy Microsoft straightforwardly reported the increase. I haven't paid attention to these kinds of optional disclosures. Never thought about it but were I asked I would have said these are advertisements. I don't dislike sustainability, but I thought those function as advertisements because you can expect to get more sustainability "for free" over time, because of many things (Moore's Law, ephemeralizat…

It's funny how that happens sometimes. Reminds me of the United Nations' "Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples". The only four countries that didn't sign it initially were the ones that actually looked at it and thought about whether they could really achieve it.
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