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"Outrageously" priced weight-loss drugs could bankrupt US health care

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Re: "Outrageously" priced weight-loss drugs could bankrupt US health care

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> I'd argue that there's a moral imperative to bootleg the drug and distribute it to those who would benefit from it at a fair price. Why not do away with patents and IP altogether if the standard is that as soon as someone makes something needed it can be stolen?

Why not make an exception for life-saving patents/inventions? The irony that, were it not priced outrageously, it could save the health care industry billions as these people with obesity will otherwise require epesneive treatments if the remain obese.

If it can actually save the health care so many billions, you'd think it was worth paying high prices for it.

Re: "Outrageously" priced weight-loss drugs could bankrupt US health care

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>clinics will send the Rx to a compounding pharmacy. I think you are confused about what a compounding pharmacy is -- at least if you refer to how it works in the US.

Not sure what you mean. You can sign up for compounded semaglutide from many online services (e.g. Ro https://ro.co/weight-loss/compounded-semaglutide/ ) It's still expensive, but far cheaper than brand name with similar efficacy. Competition from these programs will likely drive costs much lower over the next few years.

Semaglutide is still under patent in the US till at least Dec 2031 (say Wpedia).

Blockbuster drugs still under patent usually don't have alternative avenues of supply that are significantly cheaper than the main avenue. I wonder what law or regulation allows this alternative avenue to persist.

Re: "Outrageously" priced weight-loss drugs could bankrupt US health care

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>clinics will send the Rx to a compounding pharmacy. I think you are confused about what a compounding pharmacy is -- at least if you refer to how it works in the US.

Not sure what you mean. You can sign up for compounded semaglutide from many online services (e.g. Ro https://ro.co/weight-loss/compounded-semaglutide/ ) It's still expensive, but far cheaper than brand name with similar efficacy. Competition from these programs will likely drive costs much lower over the next few years.

Absolutely nowhere on that page is mentioned what you’ll actually pay for the compounded drug. Spoiler - $300+/mo

Re: "Outrageously" priced weight-loss drugs could bankrupt US health care

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The USA should nationalize the health care industry and all the pharmaceutical companies. Illness should not be a source of profit.

Like education, government involvement only causes prices to go up. Why wouldn't they? The government has unlimited money. The education and healthcare industry beats the government like a money pinata. Why would you suggest more government to a government created problem? Usually because people don't realize the government as the root cause in the first place. Get the government out, let people actually pay for thei…

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Re: "Outrageously" priced weight-loss drugs could bankrupt US health care

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The USA should nationalize the health care industry and all the pharmaceutical companies. Illness should not be a source of profit.

Like education, government involvement only causes prices to go up. Why wouldn't they? The government has unlimited money. The education and healthcare industry beats the government like a money pinata. Why would you suggest more government to a government created problem? Usually because people don't realize the government as the root cause in the first place. Get the government out, let people actually pay for thei…

> Capitalism actually works if you let it.

Right. This is why drugs like BPC-157, mentioned above, go for $25/month. There's a lot of competition on the gray market, and often the only way for vendors to differentiate themselves from the pack is on pricing, so drugs rarely if ever sell for more than double their manufacturing cost.

In the world of legitimate patented pharmaceuticals, the manufacturing cost is not even a consideration. It is often -- as it is here -- less than a single percentage point of the sale price.

Re: "Outrageously" priced weight-loss drugs could bankrupt US health care

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> A study by researchers at Yale estimated that drugs like Wegovy can be profitably manufactured for less than $5 per month. Serious question: Why not just bootleg the stuff? It's a very small protein, easy to make, and "research chemical" companies that sell structurally similar bodybuilding drugs and nootropics are a dime a dozen. Search online for "BPC-157" (a protein drug of only slightly inferior complexity) and…

> Serious question: Why not just bootleg the stuff? Historically, the black market for medication has been vanishingly small. People don't as a rule trust drugs they get off of alibaba or wherever; even the viagra gray market is a small fraction of the prescription revenue. And this doesn't treat something critical, it's a weight loss drug. To be blunt most people would probably choose to remain fat vs. buying an ill…

I don't think this is true. Look at the number of people buying Modafinil off Indian websites.

Re: "Outrageously" priced weight-loss drugs could bankrupt US health care

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My hot take on these GLP-1 drugs is that they won't work long term for most people. If the plan is to give the drug to as many obese people as possible and take a victory lap, thats going to fail.

I don't think its resonable for most people to continue taking GLP-1 antagonists all their lives. Its been widely shown that most people rapdily gain back ~2/3 of their weight after stopping semaglutide. This means that the people who lost weight did not build sustainable weight management habits during their time on these drugs.

IMHO a better solution would be to design individualized weight loss programs which would help people build sustainable healthy eating habits, and change their relationship to food while using GLP-1 as a tool to help the process and motivate people. I understand that is much easier said than done, especially at such a large scale.

Maybe the answer lies in a combination of various actions, some ideas include,

- Medicare and Medicaid negotiating to reduce the cost

- Possibly offering lower/higher dosages based on needs to better manage cost

- Offering incentives/discounts when GLP-1 is used in-combination with health coaching.

- Offering GLP-1 drugs with lifetime maximums similar to Orthodontic procedures such as braces or clear aligners, with some exceptions based on medical needs.

- Reduce food deserts, especially in rural and low income areas.

- Penalize companies which sell seriously addictive / unhealthy foods. We did that with Cigarettes! Unhealthy diets filled with addictive sugary processed foods cause similar harm to families, society, and future generations.

Re: "Outrageously" priced weight-loss drugs could bankrupt US health care

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> A study by researchers at Yale estimated that drugs like Wegovy can be profitably manufactured for less than $5 per month. Serious question: Why not just bootleg the stuff? It's a very small protein, easy to make, and "research chemical" companies that sell structurally similar bodybuilding drugs and nootropics are a dime a dozen. Search online for "BPC-157" (a protein drug of only slightly inferior complexity) and…

They already are. Weight loss clinics will send the Rx to a compounding pharmacy.

What is compounding? What raw ingredients do they start with? How is it possible?
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