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Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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If it can't run Linux or the *BSDs, it's a closed device no different than a cell phone.

Qualcomm posted an article to their blog recently about their efforts to upstream support for their processor to the Linux kernel: https://www.qualcomm.com/developer/blog/2024/05/upstreaming-...

Only time will tell how good the support is, but it's at least a start.

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Oh Dell, Windows and Qualcomm. I’d rather cut my hands off and shove the bloody stumps in a bag of salt. Have had nothing but trouble with all of them over the years.

YMMV. I have always had extremely pleasant, hassle-free, and fast support and warranty from Dell. It's not that their monitors or laptops fail more often, I've just been buying them for a decade.

All the hardware I’ve had from Dell has fallen to pieces (with the exception of the first one: a 320LX from ’85[1]) but they’ve been helpful in trying to shore up the inevitable at least.

[1] https://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/54920/Dell-320LX/

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Modem standby 0.3W?? I don't think CPU change alone will make these devices super-efficient. And why is web browsing such a battery sink? Are they using an old version of edge? Is it full of random extensions?? By the way, 15 minutes into a thread about CPUs and discussion has not yet been hijacked by the fans of "that other company". Maybe HN is improving?

What are some good long battery life Windows laptops currently on market? I wouldn't need 20 hours (like macbooks have), but I'd like to get an entire work day without charging and my current experience with Windows laptops is that they last maybe 3-4 hours. Though I've also only owned mid-tier devices, so maybe that is only exclusive to top tier, not sure.

I recently got a Framework 13 laptop and 10 hours on a charge is easily doable, especially if you put it in the low power mode. That's on Linux, but I'd assume Windows is typically smarter about conserving battery life (though maybe that's changed nowadays).

I'm incredibly happy with this laptop in general.

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Oh Dell, Windows and Qualcomm. I’d rather cut my hands off and shove the bloody stumps in a bag of salt. Have had nothing but trouble with all of them over the years.

I will not buy an device with ARM running Microsoft Windows. Ship it with Linux or we ignore it like the other devices with ARM. Windows isn’t built for ARM and the closed-source software isn’t running well or slowly on ARM. The reason to use Windows is that nothing changes and legacy software from 1988 runs like on MS-DOS. What did Qualcomm think when they signed a monopoly deal with Microsoft? That they will benefi…

Yea, lets start with tiny userbase of vocal nerds who cant even agree on how to do gui / package management

instead of the OS with majority of market share and giant userbase

90s are over, it is time to move on and stop EEEing everywhere

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Of course not, they are APIs. And this Arm-based Dell will not be able to run many binaries compiled for 64 bit Windows or any for Mac. 32 bit Windows Apps will mostly work. Which might be pretty limiting, depending on what kind of software you run.

>Windows 10 enables existing unmodified x86 apps to run on Arm devices. Windows 11 adds the ability to run unmodified x64 Windows apps on Arm devices! This ability to run x86 & x64 apps on Arm devices gives end-users confidence that the majority of their existing apps & tools will run well even on new Arm-powered devices. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/overview

It works well enough that I have Visual Studio running without issue. However, no one has been able to get SQL Server running.

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Modem standby 0.3W?? I don't think CPU change alone will make these devices super-efficient. And why is web browsing such a battery sink? Are they using an old version of edge? Is it full of random extensions?? By the way, 15 minutes into a thread about CPUs and discussion has not yet been hijacked by the fans of "that other company". Maybe HN is improving?

What are some good long battery life Windows laptops currently on market? I wouldn't need 20 hours (like macbooks have), but I'd like to get an entire work day without charging and my current experience with Windows laptops is that they last maybe 3-4 hours. Though I've also only owned mid-tier devices, so maybe that is only exclusive to top tier, not sure.

Look for devices with the Intel Core Ultra processor family. They’re the first Intel chips that have caught up with the M1/M2/M3 family on performance per watt.

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course not, they are APIs. And this Arm-based Dell will not be able to run many binaries compiled for 64 bit Windows or any for Mac. 32 bit Windows Apps will mostly work. Which might be pretty limiting, depending on what kind of software you run.

>Windows 10 enables existing unmodified x86 apps to run on Arm devices. Windows 11 adds the ability to run unmodified x64 Windows apps on Arm devices! This ability to run x86 & x64 apps on Arm devices gives end-users confidence that the majority of their existing apps & tools will run well even on new Arm-powered devices. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/overview

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Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Oh Dell, Windows and Qualcomm. I’d rather cut my hands off and shove the bloody stumps in a bag of salt. Have had nothing but trouble with all of them over the years.

I will not buy an device with ARM running Microsoft Windows. Ship it with Linux or we ignore it like the other devices with ARM. Windows isn’t built for ARM and the closed-source software isn’t running well or slowly on ARM. The reason to use Windows is that nothing changes and legacy software from 1988 runs like on MS-DOS. What did Qualcomm think when they signed a monopoly deal with Microsoft? That they will benefi…

For what it's worth, they are in fact targeting Linux support: https://www.qualcomm.com/developer/blog/2024/05/upstreaming-...

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Most probably this will be Microsoft's response to Chromebooks in the classroom. Same concept but integrated with Microsoft Office, Outlook and whatever, something many schools are using on their Chromebooks already.

The entire shtick of Windows is it's userbase and app library on x86. Porting your app to Android tablets makes more sense than porting to Windows on ARM, and developing a PWA web app makes more sense than that. Power-user apps (including games) will definitely stay on Windows x86 for now, with Linux x86 being it's primary alternative.

This product will likely be for users who just use a web browser and want integration with Microsoft services with that, so mainly the educational field.

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