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Mindfulness interventions for teens decrease mindfulness, study finds

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Re: Mindfulness interventions for teens decrease mindfulness, study finds

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Post by margalabargala »

brianf0 wrote: post #14
tmaly wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like we need to throw some startups at it /s

We should. why /s?

Because creating an organization to attempt to extract profit from ameliorating interpersonal social issues is incentivised to, and will, make those issues ultimately more pronounced and widespread than they would otherwise be. So that they can profit from it.

Maybe some sort of organization should be created to address the parent's problem, but one dedicated to the extraction of value for its members won't make things better for everyone else.

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Post by babyshake »

I think it's likely that what is happening is the process of mindfulness (noticing your anxiety without judgement, and allowing it to exist and gently float away) is no match for that daily onslaught of culture, largely propagated via social media, that what we must do is focus and obsess on what makes us anxious. And if you don't focus on what makes you anxious, you are a fool at best and an enemy combatant at worst.

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Post by babyshake »

nradov wrote: post #10
vsnf wrote: post #5

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I find this continues to be true in my adulthood. With the blessing of remote work (or failing that, an office culture that doesn't mind), I'm very happy to take a midday walk and enjoy the outdoors. I'm very certain that if I had compatriots with me now like I did during school recess that we'd definitely find some sticks and swordfight with them, or climb rocks and trees, age be damned.

I've never seen an office culture that minded people taking a walk (unless the team was in war room or something). A lot of workers go out to buy lunch anyway. For hourly production workers that have to clock in/out and may only get a fixed 30 lunch break then it is more difficult.

A 30 minute walk around most parts of downtown San Francisco is not exactly the kind of 30 minute walk OP likely has in mind.

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Post by fnordpiglet »

maxerickson wrote: post #17
harry8 wrote: post #4

Religious studies fails to make kids more religious. Abstinence programs taught in schools fail to increase celibacy. Health programs fail to dent mcdonalds market share. Arithmetic fails to stop people taking on unnecessary and punitive debt. The point being pushing things (good, bad or ugly) in schools often doesn't work out as hoped. Schooling is not a solved problem but it is a very crude tool used badly and ofte…

The analysis they reanalyzed did see useful results from the interventions. In the new analysis, they found that if the separated by age, the older children got less benefit. What are the odds that repetition of a basic curriculum by a lightly trained teacher has less impact over time?

I’d also note mindfulness only works with practice and reflection as well as an experienced guide. It’s not a pill to be swallowed. Likewise CBT and other interventions need a work, practiced, and an experienced and licensed practitioner.

Finally I would look at late life outcomes as well. A lot of the lessons of vipassana and other mindfulness lessons are difficult for the very young. Handing someone a life time tool and expecting it to yield apples before the tree is even planted or tended is absurd.

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Post by ARandomerDude »

The more you vent, the more stressed you become. The key isn’t learning all these little tricks, it’s learning to persevere. Our society is so weak that the idea of mental toughness is shunned as “toxic masculinity” or whatever but the fact is depression and suicide rates have soared as we’ve gotten away from the idea that toughness is good.

Have heroes. Don’t allow yourself to whine. Aim for victory. In the process you’ll discover you’re much happier.

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Post by alexnewman »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #3

My belief is that societal and technological sophistication is overall extremely stressful for organisms that were prepared for a very different life by evolution. Our neurosis is a byproduct of our success and of the highly complex and competitive nature of our social interactions. Touching grass, spending time with animals, learning to accept and appreciate our animal roots, is what can balance the stress.

I feel like I’ve never had an issue with tech or found it stressful. for me assembly is like a snow covered forest. Social networks are like flower beds

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Post by asaddhamani »

Buttons840 wrote: post #26

> The aim of these programs is to equip youth with skills to prevent mental disorders and enhance overall well-being. The way I learned mindfulness meditation, you should not expect it to accomplish anything specific. I listened to a course and found the ideas new and helpful, it was so life changing that I went further and studied some Buddhist philosophy, but further studied brought some anxiety and so I stopped. M…

I find the Waking Up app the closest to this. Others like headspace feel heavily commercialised, with an aim of improving “productivity”. If anyone is looking for guided meditation, I suggest checking out waking up.

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Post by [deleted] »

alexnewman wrote: post #36
stephc_int13 wrote: post #3

My belief is that societal and technological sophistication is overall extremely stressful for organisms that were prepared for a very different life by evolution. Our neurosis is a byproduct of our success and of the highly complex and competitive nature of our social interactions. Touching grass, spending time with animals, learning to accept and appreciate our animal roots, is what can balance the stress.

I feel like I’ve never had an issue with tech or found it stressful. for me assembly is like a snow covered forest. Social networks are like flower beds

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Post by qp11 »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #3

My belief is that societal and technological sophistication is overall extremely stressful for organisms that were prepared for a very different life by evolution. Our neurosis is a byproduct of our success and of the highly complex and competitive nature of our social interactions. Touching grass, spending time with animals, learning to accept and appreciate our animal roots, is what can balance the stress.

Also my strategy includes fucking with or cutting ties with "mindlessly ambitious" people. Just raise their cost of existing and drawing others into their vortex.

In today's environment, technical, design and financial tools scale up ambitious peoples mindlessness. It doesn't matter what you teach a kid, if the kid has to then go and work for such a person.

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Post by Tom3849 »

hunter-gatherer wrote: post #20
Tom3849 wrote: post #6

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Your knee-jerk reaction is perhaps emphasizing OP's point. OP obviously is referring to the spirit of being more in tune with our natural roots and not prescribing "Get a dog, visit a man-made park" as a strict prescription as you seem to be interpreting it.

No, I illustrated that for some people "being more in tune with our natural roots" is deeply stressful. And it is simply not realistic advice!

I get attacked weekly, and can not even carry peper spray, or tell anything to my attackers (they would turn on me). Last time I got attacked by 6 large dogs while walking on beach, and their owners would not even restraint the. After, they tried to steal my phone for recording the attack. Latter they told police, dogs were "stray" and they are not responsible for them. Despite providing shelter, food, vet and walking them on leash...

If I mugged people, trying to steal their food, I would be in jail!

Some "true" mythical countryside has even more dogs in large packs. It is outright dangerous to cycle here!

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