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Facebook Tries Again on a Smartphone

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Re: Facebook Tries Again on a Smartphone

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...take the same approach as Amazon, offering low-cost hardware, like the Kindle, and subsidizing some of the costs through advertising.

Except that, by its own admission, Facebook hasn't figured out how to make advertising money on mobile devices.

Re: Facebook Tries Again on a Smartphone

#32

" It could easily scoop up an infirm company like Research in Motion, which is valued at less than $6 billion, and drop a beautifully designed Facebook operating system on top of RIM’s phones. " I find this to be an affront to engineers and designers. It trivializes the amount of time and effort it takes to make a well engineered product. Can someone elucidate why it might be important for Facebook to have it's own h…

It's about control. On my smartphone, its easy to start using google plus instead of Facebook. If I had bought a Facebook phone, they could lock it in to Facebook services so that i use Facebook as my primary social network for at least the life of my phone. Also, it's a revenue stream. Facebook has a huge userbase but very few of their users actually pay them money. If they started selling hardware they could collec…

Also it's about the control that Facebook, like Apple, might be able to deliver better UX if they could design for and thoroughly test on very specific combinations of hardware, instead of trying to function across so many different chips and screen sizes.

Re: Facebook Tries Again on a Smartphone

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post #17

Soon Facebook will acquire enough mass to cross Chandrasekhar limit and collapse into a black hole of the internet. No information will ever leave the system, its existence will be observed only by interaction with advertisement radiation in the internet. People will claim that they left FB space but that is physically impossible. Over time interstellar drift may cause FB blackhole to collide with Google or Apple gal…

I prefer to think that it will just briefly cross the Chandrasekhar limit, spew hordes of information out of the system in a supernova brighter than the galaxy of the entire Internet, and then subside to a neutron core no one cares about.

Like MySpace. Although MySpace never really had the mass, and is I suppose currently a white dwarf.

Re: Facebook Tries Again on a Smartphone

#35

" It could easily scoop up an infirm company like Research in Motion, which is valued at less than $6 billion, and drop a beautifully designed Facebook operating system on top of RIM’s phones. " I find this to be an affront to engineers and designers. It trivializes the amount of time and effort it takes to make a well engineered product. Can someone elucidate why it might be important for Facebook to have it's own h…

i somewhat feel this is facebook trying to justify the massive IPO money and hence expanding into other areas that will make use of this money. Its the typical scenario were a company gets more funding then they probably need and in turn leads to that company addressing areas they might not have, given they had less money.

Facebook should get into mobile hardware but not in such a short time. Im sure there is lower hanging fruit they should be aiming for that could help boost their revenue many times over and get them back in the good graces of their shareholders again (if they care about that :) ).

If they get into the mobile space by having their own device it seems like such a high barrier simply to add to their advertising revenue, it almost seems like they are leaving their web and mobile apps business cause in terms of revenue, what they have (in web and mobile apps) is all they can figure out and NOW they need a new platform to expand on ?!

Re: Facebook Tries Again on a Smartphone

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If Facebook buys RIM, we're screwed.

I think more aptly, if Facebook buys RIM they're screwed. It's just crazy talk. Facebook has a headcount of 3,500, and people seriously think they can feasible buy out RIM, with 17,500 people, and then just magically integrate them and poof produce a great phone? It's madness. If you take the article at face value, Facebook have already tried developing their own hardware and had it implode due to a lack of experienc…

TBH, if Facebook was serious about producing their own phone, buying RIM and letting it operate as a subsidiary would be a wise move.

RIM/QNX make great hardware and (now) software. No one would disagree that they need help on the user experience side of things. They've made great strides in this area too, but that's where Facebook can help. RIM can stick to what it's good at.

That said, I really hope that doesn't happen.

Re: Facebook Tries Again on a Smartphone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about control. On my smartphone, its easy to start using google plus instead of Facebook. If I had bought a Facebook phone, they could lock it in to Facebook services so that i use Facebook as my primary social network for at least the life of my phone. Also, it's a revenue stream. Facebook has a huge userbase but very few of their users actually pay them money. If they started selling hardware they could collec…

Also it's about the control that Facebook, like Apple, might be able to deliver better UX if they could design for and thoroughly test on very specific combinations of hardware, instead of trying to function across so many different chips and screen sizes.

But Facebook, unlike Apple, has no practical choice about operating across those many different chips and screen sizes. Social networks are driven by exceptionally strong network effects. If Facebook doesn't reasonably operate across those chips and screen sizes, they run a serious risk of losing out to a competitor that does, especially since there's a significant one waiting in the wings.

Re: Facebook Tries Again on a Smartphone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about control. On my smartphone, its easy to start using google plus instead of Facebook. If I had bought a Facebook phone, they could lock it in to Facebook services so that i use Facebook as my primary social network for at least the life of my phone. Also, it's a revenue stream. Facebook has a huge userbase but very few of their users actually pay them money. If they started selling hardware they could collec…

Also it's about the control that Facebook, like Apple, might be able to deliver better UX if they could design for and thoroughly test on very specific combinations of hardware, instead of trying to function across so many different chips and screen sizes.

So far, Facebook has been unable to deliver a working iPad app...

Re: Facebook Tries Again on a Smartphone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about control. On my smartphone, its easy to start using google plus instead of Facebook. If I had bought a Facebook phone, they could lock it in to Facebook services so that i use Facebook as my primary social network for at least the life of my phone. Also, it's a revenue stream. Facebook has a huge userbase but very few of their users actually pay them money. If they started selling hardware they could collec…

Also it's about the control that Facebook, like Apple, might be able to deliver better UX if they could design for and thoroughly test on very specific combinations of hardware, instead of trying to function across so many different chips and screen sizes.

Facebook needs to fire their entire mobile app development staff. The mobile app does everything the desktop app does minus Push Notifications and yet takes easily 10-20 times as long to load. It's pathetic. There is no good tablet app, etc, the list goes on and on.

The idea that they're going to make their own OS and apps that are as polished or feature complete as their competition which is already possibly too statured is hilarious at best, sadly delusional at worst.

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