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The $499 Google Pixel 8a is official, with 120 Hz display, 7 years of updates

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Re: The $499 Google Pixel 8a is official, with 120 Hz display, 7 years of updates

#31

At some point Google needs to think about why these phones exist. Nobody buys them and there is no way their hardware division is turning a profit. After Stadia, I bet this is next.

> Nobody buys them

Are you sure? A growth from 1% of sold mobile phones in 2021Q4 to 3% in 2023Q4 doesn't seem too bad

https://9to5google.com/2024/02/29/googel-pixel-q4-2023-north...

Re: The $499 Google Pixel 8a is official, with 120 Hz display, 7 years of updates

#32

I'm terrified: > One challenge for the future, and those seven years of updates, will be the 8GB of RAM. Google is already calling devices with 8GB of RAM "hardware limited" when it comes to future AI features, so be prepared for that. It's a budget phone, though, so you have to make some trade-offs. 1) 8GB ram is hardware limited, 2) $499 is a budget phone??? I'm very happy with my recently acquired Moto G Stylus 5G…

Have you seen how much an iPhone Pro Max or Galaxy Ultra costs? Also factor in how many years of SW updates are you getting on those cheap Motorolas and also the quality of the software. Hardware bang for the buck ain't everything. If the software is full of ads on those cheap phones or is buggy(like it was on my OnePlus), then your $250 phone ain't worth shit in terms of frustration it's gonna cause you long term.

The less software (beyond stock Android) that a phone has, the better off it is IMHO. My last Moto phone (a G4) was almost entirely stock and that made me more inclined to buy the new version. Unfortunately the new phone had a bunch of bloaty apps but I managed to remove or disable almost all of them. Many of them were from Google if that matters. There is an app called Universal Android Debloater (UAD) that does this automatically but I didn't find out about it til afterwards.

I'm not noticing any ads from the software on my phone. I am still working on replacing the Google stuff though, since it is presumably spying even if it isn't spewing ads.

On a recent iphone setup I didn't notice ads per se, but instead there were constant pitches to buy subscriptions to Apple services. I found that just as bad as ads.

The Moto G's currently come with 3 years of security updates and 1 Android major version update. That is probably good enough. More than 3 years out, the phone hardware probably can't keep up with the increased levels of software bloat. My old phone had 2GB of ram which was fine when I got it, but near crippled now.

Re: The $499 Google Pixel 8a is official, with 120 Hz display, 7 years of updates

#33
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$250 would have been a budget phone 5 years ago. If you're buying an unlocked phone from a brick and mortar store, $350-$500 is the minimum for a brand-name phone. If your are based in the US/EU, you may only have brand name phones available.

I thought Motorola and Samsung were both brand names here in the US. Here is Motorola's current budget line. All are below $300. Admittedly the best deals are the 2023 models but that is a regular thing with them. If I wanted a cheap phone today I'd probably get the 2023 G 5G at $149. https://www.motorola.com/us/smartphones-moto-g-family You can get them brick and mortar at Best Buy at usually the same prices as on M…

I miss my Moto One Action... The gesture programming was great. If I needed a flashlight I would just shake it twice on, twice back off. So handy.

Re: The $499 Google Pixel 8a is official, with 120 Hz display, 7 years of updates

#34

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> But bluetooth is the worst technology to ever grace our airways, dongles fucking suck, and it's been a constant source of annoyance since I got it. Can you expand on your issues with it? It has been very reliable for me.

I have three devices: personal laptop (thinkpad/linux), work macbook, personal android. It's absolutely insane trying to get exactly the one I want connected to my earphones. Basically, I have to make sure two of them have bluetooth off, so the third one reliably connects. Otherwise, sometimes left earphone will connect to one device, and right to other. This is a deficiency of the protocol that there is no sane way…

I guess this is were Apple does things well within ecosystem.

I have: personal MacBook, work MacBook, personal iPad, personal iPhone, and an old personal iPhone I use as a lower-distraction music player. I also often connect to my Fire TV stick to listen to TV without disturbing others in the house.

With my AirPods, this is all pretty seamless these days. I never have to turn Bluetooth off on them.

Re: The $499 Google Pixel 8a is official, with 120 Hz display, 7 years of updates

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have three devices: personal laptop (thinkpad/linux), work macbook, personal android. It's absolutely insane trying to get exactly the one I want connected to my earphones. Basically, I have to make sure two of them have bluetooth off, so the third one reliably connects. Otherwise, sometimes left earphone will connect to one device, and right to other. This is a deficiency of the protocol that there is no sane way…

I guess this is were Apple does things well within ecosystem. I have: personal MacBook, work MacBook, personal iPad, personal iPhone, and an old personal iPhone I use as a lower-distraction music player. I also often connect to my Fire TV stick to listen to TV without disturbing others in the house. With my AirPods, this is all pretty seamless these days. I never have to turn Bluetooth off on them.

Yes, apple fixed this by appending to the protocol. The Bluetooth standard should consider doing something similar.

Re: The $499 Google Pixel 8a is official, with 120 Hz display, 7 years of updates

#36
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I was really hoping they would go back to having a headphone jack on the 'a' series of pixels. I picked up a 7a pixel and fooled myself into thinking it "can't be that bad". But bluetooth is the worst technology to ever grace our airways, dongles fucking suck, and it's been a constant source of annoyance since I got it. I guess I'll be picking up something other than a pixel when it comes time to upgrade. But there i…

> dongles fucking suck

Why?

Re: The $499 Google Pixel 8a is official, with 120 Hz display, 7 years of updates

#37
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen how much an iPhone Pro Max or Galaxy Ultra costs? Also factor in how many years of SW updates are you getting on those cheap Motorolas and also the quality of the software. Hardware bang for the buck ain't everything. If the software is full of ads on those cheap phones or is buggy(like it was on my OnePlus), then your $250 phone ain't worth shit in terms of frustration it's gonna cause you long term.

My recent purchase of Samsung S23 Ultra at almost £800 is full of Samsung crud and spying that I can't remove. Cost is no guide on a crud-free experience.

Cost is no guide, but incentives are higher at the cheaper ranges.

Re: The $499 Google Pixel 8a is official, with 120 Hz display, 7 years of updates

#38

I'm terrified: > One challenge for the future, and those seven years of updates, will be the 8GB of RAM. Google is already calling devices with 8GB of RAM "hardware limited" when it comes to future AI features, so be prepared for that. It's a budget phone, though, so you have to make some trade-offs. 1) 8GB ram is hardware limited, 2) $499 is a budget phone??? I'm very happy with my recently acquired Moto G Stylus 5G…

Most reviews are using the term "mid-range" rather than budget for this phone.

Re: The $499 Google Pixel 8a is official, with 120 Hz display, 7 years of updates

#39
post #16

I was really hoping they would go back to having a headphone jack on the 'a' series of pixels. I picked up a 7a pixel and fooled myself into thinking it "can't be that bad". But bluetooth is the worst technology to ever grace our airways, dongles fucking suck, and it's been a constant source of annoyance since I got it. I guess I'll be picking up something other than a pixel when it comes time to upgrade. But there i…

> dongles fucking suck Why?

because I might be charging the phone or something else that requires that port. I don't want to use a dongle. I want the same 3.5mm aux jack that continues to work reliably for many decades, and continues to support headphones older than the internet instead of the disposable bluetooth stuff they try and sell you today.
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