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I'm flagging this. It's not because I give a hoot about sama but because this kind of crap is posted only to lead to endless discussion.
Get to work. Focus. Whatever the hell Sam is can wait for another day.
The Sam Altman Playbook: Fear, the Denial of Uncertainties, and Hype
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Re: The Sam Altman Playbook: Fear, the Denial of Uncertainties, and Hype
#32Jeez, I'm a Sam Altman skeptic but this is just another level. How about instead of attacking this guy and literally deconstructing a single-sentence tweet to make him out as an evil bogeyman, we make some constructive arguments for these so-called 'more reliable' ways of building AI and why the current approach is 'deeply flawed'?
> we make some constructive arguments for these so-called 'more reliable' ways of building AI and why the current approach is 'deeply flawed'?
FWIW, Gary Marcus wrote an entire book[1] that, from what I can tell, purports to do that. I have not read the book (yet) so I can't personally attest to how well it meets that goal, but at least be aware that it exists.
[1]: https://www.amazon.com/Rebooting-AI-Building-Artificial-Inte...
Re: The Sam Altman Playbook: Fear, the Denial of Uncertainties, and Hype
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Accomplishing more != Benefiting Humanity
GPT 3.5 and GPT 4 have benefited quite a lot of software engineers at a minimum. I don't see why GPT 5 would be any different.
I think it also has hurt a lot of software engineers in a number of different ways. AI assisted programming tools are an experiment and the jury is still very much out.
Re: The Sam Altman Playbook: Fear, the Denial of Uncertainties, and Hype
#34The current AI wave is a perfect application of Conway's law: the bullshit industry has generated the perfect bullshit machines, pretending to show intelligence when they only parrot what they've heard elsewhere - badly but convincingly.
Yes. But I predict we will eventually realize that's what humans do too.
> that's what humans do too.
Maybe so, but is it ALL humans do???? If not, then what about, how to do, the rest???
Re: The Sam Altman Playbook: Fear, the Denial of Uncertainties, and Hype
#35GPT-4 is absolutely incredible and even if we never get beyond it the world is a much better place with it than without it. It makes total sense to bet on the team that made this being the best placed people in the world to advance it.
I disagree strongly with this. GPT has:
- Precipitated a new class of computationally intense and expensive systems at a time when we desperately need to be focused on sustainability and reducing power demands/increasing efficiency.
- Devalued human labor without being high enough quality to truly replace it.
- Grossly violated an unspoken social contract of the internet by abusing the commons, leading to many people locking down their content.
- Flooded the internet with unverifiable noise that looks credible, making it harder to find high quality information and enabling scams and laziness.
At best this productivity tool is of neutral value to society. If you think it's a net good, I question your judgment.
Re: The Sam Altman Playbook: Fear, the Denial of Uncertainties, and Hype
#36GPT-4 is absolutely incredible and even if we never get beyond it the world is a much better place with it than without it. It makes total sense to bet on the team that made this being the best placed people in the world to advance it.
GPT-4 is peak LLM, nothing will likely be able to surpass it by these same methods for a long time. The only novel product OpenAI could release at this point is a fully uncensored and unrestrained GPT.
Introducing: GPT-ns4w
Re: The Sam Altman Playbook: Fear, the Denial of Uncertainties, and Hype
#37Jeez, I'm a Sam Altman skeptic but this is just another level. How about instead of attacking this guy and literally deconstructing a single-sentence tweet to make him out as an evil bogeyman, we make some constructive arguments for these so-called 'more reliable' ways of building AI and why the current approach is 'deeply flawed'?
As someone else who is not an Altman fan and generally skeptical of people pushing weird AGI scenarios:
I do not think Gary Marcus has anything interesting to say about current AI, and by that, I mean anything that's not a cheap gotcha, restatement of an obvious fact, or something entirely disingenuous.
Re: The Sam Altman Playbook: Fear, the Denial of Uncertainties, and Hype
#38Long time HN-er I'm flagging this. It's not because I give a hoot about sama but because this kind of crap is posted only to lead to endless discussion. Get to work. Focus. Whatever the hell Sam is can wait for another day.
I'll also flag, and I've never flagged anything before.
Sam A's job is to sell Open AI. It's not not interesting that he talks about why is so great!
Re: The Sam Altman Playbook: Fear, the Denial of Uncertainties, and Hype
#39Long time HN-er I'm flagging this. It's not because I give a hoot about sama but because this kind of crap is posted only to lead to endless discussion. Get to work. Focus. Whatever the hell Sam is can wait for another day.
Yes never discuss technology critically, only grow and make more more more. Never consider the actual impact of your work, simply produce and consume.
Re: The Sam Altman Playbook: Fear, the Denial of Uncertainties, and Hype
#40GPT-4 is absolutely incredible and even if we never get beyond it the world is a much better place with it than without it. It makes total sense to bet on the team that made this being the best placed people in the world to advance it.
How exactly is the world so much better with GPT 4? I'm not saying it's not cool tech or that the current level of LLMs don't have some impact, but "the world is so much better" is quite a stretch (unless you are a Nvidia shareholder) Not to mention the adverse affect of job loss in industries such as customer service almost exclusively hurting people from poorer countries and lower socio economic levels.
Yeah, I mean I work inside a Fortune 10 company and after countless man hours across multiple teams we have exactly zero LLM applications in production and the pipeline heading to production is empty.
I guess it’s good at generating plausible blog spam and helping children with homework. I’ve used it to bootstrap my own writing. It’s not entirely useless but hardly world changing.
I think the biggest commercial use right now is Klarna uses it for basic lvl 1 support? I don’t know the details but it sounds like a good result from RAG over a fairly constrained corpus. So, again, nice but completely unaligned with the massive valuations in that space right now.