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Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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Post by nathanaldensr »

dailykoder wrote: post #12
pjc50 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I can tell, it's in the same weird "purity" deal as anti-vax, anti-mask, and various other kinds of orthorexia. As well as being aligned with anti-helmet and anti-seatbelt campaigners: seemingly they want it because it's dangerous. It makes them feel good to reject objective standards of safety and substitute their own specialness. After all, they're the protagonist, they can't die in the middle of the show…

Not sure why this is downvoted. Probably because of the agressive wording, but imo you are right. They just want the pure milk, because it's pure. Not because it's better in any way. I do wonder every now and then if there is a way to stop this trend. I do believe that most people know that they'd have all the information available to prove themselves wrong. But that's just uncomfortable. Being the one who "knows bet…

Are you uncomfortable with people making choices different than yours? Should we all strive to believe and do exactly what you believe and do?

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

#32

Post by dailykoder »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #31
dailykoder wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why this is downvoted. Probably because of the agressive wording, but imo you are right. They just want the pure milk, because it's pure. Not because it's better in any way. I do wonder every now and then if there is a way to stop this trend. I do believe that most people know that they'd have all the information available to prove themselves wrong. But that's just uncomfortable. Being the one who "knows bet…

Are you uncomfortable with people making choices different than yours? Should we all strive to believe and do exactly what you believe and do?

Yes of course

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

#33

Post by pjc50 »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #28
pjc50 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I can tell, it's in the same weird "purity" deal as anti-vax, anti-mask, and various other kinds of orthorexia. As well as being aligned with anti-helmet and anti-seatbelt campaigners: seemingly they want it because it's dangerous. It makes them feel good to reject objective standards of safety and substitute their own specialness. After all, they're the protagonist, they can't die in the middle of the show…

"As far as you can tell" is just your misinformed and shit-stirring opinion. Pasteurization is unnatural and changes the quality and nutrition of the milk. Baby cows don't drink pasteurized milk, and neither do human babies. In other words, you're projecting--hard. Disclaimer: I drink pasteurized milk like everyone else because raw milk is expensive and hard to source. When I was a child I drank raw milk in glass bot…

> Pasteurization is unnatural

So what?

> changes the quality and nutrition of the milk

Does it? In what way, and with what evidence? People say things like this without ever getting specific.

> Baby cows don't drink pasteurized milk, and neither do human babies

No, but (a) there's a much shorter supply chain there in nature, which is the big problem, (b) cows consume all sorts of things that are inedible by humans, and (c) it's not actually "natural" for humans to drink cow's milk at all, that's a relatively recent genetic adaptation (lactose tolerance) that not everybody has.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

#34

Post by boomboomsubban »

pjc50 wrote: post #27
boomboomsubban wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but the thought process of the risk taker is similar.

Is it? Junk food is the "thoughtless", easy, popular option while raw milk is very much something you have to seek out, unless you live on or next to a dairy farm. And not just seek out, you have to have been advertised to. (very much the inconvenient option for me given the law: http://rawmilk.simkin.co.uk/what-is-raw-milk.html )

Both risk assessments are "yes, I know this could be bad for me, but the benefits are great and the risk is small/far away." Similar, not identical.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

#35

Post by blueflow »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #31
dailykoder wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why this is downvoted. Probably because of the agressive wording, but imo you are right. They just want the pure milk, because it's pure. Not because it's better in any way. I do wonder every now and then if there is a way to stop this trend. I do believe that most people know that they'd have all the information available to prove themselves wrong. But that's just uncomfortable. Being the one who "knows bet…

Are you uncomfortable with people making choices different than yours? Should we all strive to believe and do exactly what you believe and do?

As long as we share our health insurance system, i will try hard to stop you from jeopardizing your health.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

#36

Post by blueflow »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #28
pjc50 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I can tell, it's in the same weird "purity" deal as anti-vax, anti-mask, and various other kinds of orthorexia. As well as being aligned with anti-helmet and anti-seatbelt campaigners: seemingly they want it because it's dangerous. It makes them feel good to reject objective standards of safety and substitute their own specialness. After all, they're the protagonist, they can't die in the middle of the show…

"As far as you can tell" is just your misinformed and shit-stirring opinion. Pasteurization is unnatural and changes the quality and nutrition of the milk. Baby cows don't drink pasteurized milk, and neither do human babies. In other words, you're projecting--hard. Disclaimer: I drink pasteurized milk like everyone else because raw milk is expensive and hard to source. When I was a child I drank raw milk in glass bot…

There is no such thing as "natural". Its your opinion in disguise.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

#37

Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

bartonfink wrote: post #20
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #16

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I suspect most of them are. I'll bet that the process of becoming cheese treats the bugs. From what I hear, consuming raw milk is what's dangerous.

[flagged]

Whut?

Please explain. I’m afraid I’m too dense to understand that.

I didn’t mean to insult anyone’s sacred cow. I just have some experience in this.

However, unhomogenized milk can be pretty cool. When we lived in London, we used to get daily deliveries of bottled, unhomogenized milk, and I always loved taking the cream off the top.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

#38

Post by nkurz »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #37
bartonfink wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Whut? Please explain. I’m afraid I’m too dense to understand that. I didn’t mean to insult anyone’s sacred cow. I just have some experience in this. However, unhomogenized milk can be pretty cool. When we lived in London, we used to get daily deliveries of bottled, unhomogenized milk, and I always loved taking the cream off the top.

"MilaM" asked "I wonder if it is reasonably safe to consume [the raw milk, aged cheese I just bought]".

You answered "I would suggest not".

"bartonfink" (reasonably but rudely) took this to mean you were saying that cheese made from raw milk was "not" "reasonably safe to consume".

What did you actually mean by "I would suggest not"?

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

#39

Post by happymellon »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #28
pjc50 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I can tell, it's in the same weird "purity" deal as anti-vax, anti-mask, and various other kinds of orthorexia. As well as being aligned with anti-helmet and anti-seatbelt campaigners: seemingly they want it because it's dangerous. It makes them feel good to reject objective standards of safety and substitute their own specialness. After all, they're the protagonist, they can't die in the middle of the show…

"As far as you can tell" is just your misinformed and shit-stirring opinion. Pasteurization is unnatural and changes the quality and nutrition of the milk. Baby cows don't drink pasteurized milk, and neither do human babies. In other words, you're projecting--hard. Disclaimer: I drink pasteurized milk like everyone else because raw milk is expensive and hard to source. When I was a child I drank raw milk in glass bot…

> Pasteurization is unnatural

Completely agree. You should also eat raw potatoes!

I hear ricin is completely natural too.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

#40

Post by rimunroe »

pjc50 wrote: post #33
nathanaldensr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"As far as you can tell" is just your misinformed and shit-stirring opinion. Pasteurization is unnatural and changes the quality and nutrition of the milk. Baby cows don't drink pasteurized milk, and neither do human babies. In other words, you're projecting--hard. Disclaimer: I drink pasteurized milk like everyone else because raw milk is expensive and hard to source. When I was a child I drank raw milk in glass bot…

> Pasteurization is unnatural So what? > changes the quality and nutrition of the milk Does it? In what way, and with what evidence? People say things like this without ever getting specific. > Baby cows don't drink pasteurized milk, and neither do human babies No, but (a) there's a much shorter supply chain there in nature, which is the big problem, (b) cows consume all sorts of things that are inedible by humans, a…

>> Baby cows don't drink pasteurized milk, and neither do human babies

> No, but (a) there's a much shorter supply chain there in nature, which is the big problem, (b) cows consume all sorts of things that are inedible by humans, and (c) it's not actually "natural" for humans to drink cow's milk at all, that's a relatively recent genetic adaptation (lactose tolerance) that not everybody has.

and (d) some places, especially large dairies, do feed baby cows pasteurized milk. They do this to limit the spread of illness among their livestock and to use up waste milk. Some do this with colostrum as well.

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