The Ivy League and other elite private colleges are losing esteem

Post by parpfish » Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 4:14 AM UTC

makeitshine wrote: post #10

bugglebeetle wrote: post #2

One of the worst, most embarrassing mistakes one can make as they age is to believe themselves so wise as to offer up unsolicited advice to the young.

The only advice you can give the young is unsolicited. They'll never ask for it because they already believe they know everything. I'm fully aware my reply is ridiculous, much like what I was responding to.

Post by wredue » Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 4:15 AM UTC

jacobn wrote: post #26

hehdhdjehehegwv wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the resumé boost is for life.

Unless of course: “Public perceptions of higher education have declined rapidly, and I expect the problems to get worse.” turns out to be the case (Which it probably won’t)

Post by threeseed » Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 4:16 AM UTC

jcranmer wrote: post #12

bruceb wrote: post #3

When the richest and most powerful start sending their kids to public school then I might believe this. Until then the title makes for good clickbait but nothing believable. This tweet I read earlier today lays out the case: "The best reason to go to a top 10 American university: In a random class you'll have a governor's daughter, the son of a billionaire and two guys with 170+ IQ. It's a hell of a group of people t…

The point I gave up reading was when Nate started arguing that a degree from an Ivy League would look worse than a good state school to employers because those students are clearly political activist nincompoops. And it's like... first off, these trends have been going on for as long as I can remember (and I am no longer young), and second off, you got your fame doing good statistical analysis, surely you could back…

Post by wredue » Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 4:21 AM UTC

Imnimo wrote: post #14

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hard to believe that Google is going to start not wanting to hire MIT grads because MIT has a protest encampment There was a time when Google wouldn't consider a candidate if they weren't from MIT. The loss of that monopoly is the point. You aren't disadvantaged going to MIT today relative to a few decades ago. You're just not as relatively advantaged as you once were.

I'm extremely skeptical that this shift has anything to do with protest encampments and coddling concerns.

Post by toomuchtodo » Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 4:24 AM UTC

hilux wrote: post #29

afavour wrote: post #13

I think I agree with Nate’s advice (skip the Ivies, go to a good state school) but I don’t agree with the reasons why. I don’t think elite private colleges are losing esteem at all (the recent noise about pro-Palestinian protests will be forgotten five minutes after they stop, just like all the other campus protest movements in decades past, this isn’t new!), I just think the economic argument is getting harder and h…

I get your point, but Ivies (and other rich private schools) offer dramatically better financial aid to "middle class" students than most state schools do. E.g. most students who qualify for aid would take on less debt to attend Stanford or an Ivy than to attend, say, UC Berkeley. Or pick some other state school, since Cal has had its share of protests.